Rene vs Metropolis

Alexander Kuznetsov · Wed May 06, 2015 12:46 pm

ok, in this case I'll buy two units.

eyeiaye · Post by **eyeiaye** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:48 pm

Yes I looked into this QUITE a bit, and I think both running together can create some un real music.

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:27 pm

What about the K4815 vs. the Rene?

futuredaze · Post by **futuredaze** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:51 pm

have the rene...my approach lately has been turn the machines on and let them run, let them go crazy and see what happens and rene is perfect for that. also as a more visual person i like the 4x4 arrangement of rene, getting to see the strange shapes and patterns created by the infinite variety of sequencing options. very stimulating/ can influence how you make your patch in unusual ways

Voggg · Post by **Voggg** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:08 pm

I have the Metropolis and love it. Probably getting a Rene at some point. If I were starting off now though I would get a Stillson Hammer instead of Metropolis.

MATSmile · Post by **MATSmile** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:16 pm

Voggg wrote:I have the Metropolis and love it. Probably getting a Rene at some point. If I were starting off now though I would get a Stillson Hammer instead of Metropolis.

SHII is not as straight forward, but 4 tracks vs 1 makes SH a winner.

Montgomery Word · Post by **Montgomery Word** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:22 am

I have both and love both. They don't do the same things really at all.

cityz3n · Post by **cityz3n** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:55 pm

Just sold my rene to fund a metropolis.
I loved rene but it was almost impossible to reproduce sequences.
Since I play guitar while the modular is running, metropolis gives me a quicker overview of what is going on.
With rene lots of the time I lost track of what was going on, it just sounded great.
Hope to get another one someday.
But for now metropolis seems to more productive choice.

empirix · Post by **empirix** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:09 am

i have a metropolis which is great fun, if your buyiong more than 1 sequencer, you may as well hold out and save for the komplex sequencer.

I would get an er 101 instead of Rene myself!

JozeyWhales · Post by **JozeyWhales** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:04 am

I have Rene and It's been an absolute improvisational blast. One of my favorite features of the sequencer is snake mode. It's always a ton of fun for me to build a sequence and then change the way that the sequencer will iterate coordinates. I've found a bunch of great riffs using this method that I probably never would have found without it. Hope this helps!

flonaise · Post by **flonaise** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:57 am

My Wogglebug and Metropolis are the best of friends. Is that weird?

Fastus · Post by **Fastus** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:49 am

Have both... while Rene would be my desert island sequencer, the very different Metropolis has plenty to contribute and they work well together. Probably like the Met best for rhythmic pattern generation, and Rene for sequencing pitches & generating unexpected riffs and melodies.

And with either, it's a huge help to have a comparator around.

nucleus · Post by **nucleus** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:34 pm

Have the metropolis here and i think its a great sequencer, it's just simple and complex enough to have great fun and experiment with. I did't like it so much at first but i got used to my favorite modules being a let down at the beginning. I am having a good time with it and don't feel the need for rene right now, though i never had one. i will probably add another sequencer in the future. my only other one is yarns but would like to try touch sequencer or er101. i wouldn't let metropolis go.

Farfield · Post by **Farfield** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:42 pm

Fastus wrote:Have both... while Rene would be my desert island sequencer, the very different Metropolis has plenty to contribute and they work well together. Probably like the Met best for rhythmic pattern generation, and Rene for sequencing pitches & generating unexpected riffs and melodies.

And with either, it's a huge help to have a comparator around.

Could you explain what you do with a comparator and your sequencer? I'm not familiar with that approach.

pzoot · Post by **pzoot** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:47 pm

Fastus wrote:And with either, it's a huge help to have a comparator around.

Educational sidebar ... how do you use a comparator with these? To generate varying gates from the pitch/cv output instead of the gate outputs? Edit: or to generate clocks to input?

Edit #2: a little late to submit button. Two great minds ... but inquiring minds!! Help us out!! Now I'm studying comparator and logic modules! :-)

pinkflag16 · Post by **pinkflag16** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:48 pm

I'm also looking into getting a sequencer/alternative performance module to get away from the usual keyboard or step sequencer (selling my Mother 32). The Rene looks interesting. Am I correct that it can be "played" like Pressure Points, but with built-in quantization?

I hadn't really looked at the Metropolis until now, but it looks nice and straightforward. Different animal, really.

nectarios · Post by **nectarios** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:20 pm

pinkflag16 wrote:The Rene looks interesting. Am I correct that it can be "played" like Pressure Points, but with built-in quantization?

Yes and then some.

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pinkflag16 · Post by **pinkflag16** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:35 pm

nectarios wrote:
pinkflag16 wrote:The Rene looks interesting. Am I correct that it can be "played" like Pressure Points, but with built-in quantization?
Yes and then some.

[video][/video]

Fantastic! Today is a good day. Thanks.

Fastus · Post by **Fastus** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:33 am

Farfield wrote:
Fastus wrote:Have both... while Rene would be my desert island sequencer, the very different Metropolis has plenty to contribute and they work well together. Probably like the Met best for rhythmic pattern generation, and Rene for sequencing pitches & generating unexpected riffs and melodies.

And with either, it's a huge help to have a comparator around.
Could you explain what you do with a comparator and your sequencer? I'm not familiar with that approach.

Comparator adds an extra dimension to sequencing. With Rene you can run a pitch sequence to the VCO from QCV using one of the four memory slots - this frees the panel pots for purely CV duties. Turn all the pots full counterclockwise . Now turn the first pot (at 0,0) to full clockwise & connect the Rene CVout to your comparator and set your threshold ( about 12 to 1 oclock on my Animodule ) so that everytime the sequence loops around, 0,0 will generate a gate, signposting the first beat of your sequence. You can use this gate to trigger a supporting kik drum for example, or to provide accents (e.g. routing to a Boogie keyIn ) or to sync another sequence etc.

You can do the same with the Met if you're using it only as a rhythm generator, hike the pitch CV up to mark your accents and send the pitchCV to the comparator. This works great for exotic odd meters: running a 5/4 pattern and accenting the 1st and 3rd beats for example.

pinkflag16 · Post by **pinkflag16** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:00 am

Can the Rene record a sequence in real time? For example, can I set the quantize to a major scale, play a melody on the touch pads like on a regular keyboard, and then have it loop? Or must I always program each step explicitly?

Fastus · Post by **Fastus** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:07 pm

pinkflag16 wrote:Can the Rene record a sequence in real time? For example, can I set the quantize to a major scale, play a melody on the touch pads like on a regular keyboard, and then have it loop? Or must I always program each step explicitly?

Certainly you can use the 'A' / Access program page to add & subtract notes live as the Rene is clocked, and certainly you could start from scratch & activate each new notes live, one by one. But it doesn't act like a looper i.e. recording a phrase of multiple notes just as they were played.

pinkflag16 · Post by **pinkflag16** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:25 pm

Fastus wrote:
pinkflag16 wrote:Can the Rene record a sequence in real time? For example, can I set the quantize to a major scale, play a melody on the touch pads like on a regular keyboard, and then have it loop? Or must I always program each step explicitly?
Certainly you can use the 'A' / Access program page to add & subtract notes live as the Rene is clocked, and certainly you could start from scratch & activate each new notes live, one by one. But it doesn't act like a looper i.e. recording a phrase of multiple notes just as they were played.

Thank you. I suspected this was the case, but wanted to be sure.

othermonkey · Post by **othermonkey** » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:02 am

Just ordered a Metropolis today... Very psyched about it. Although I also watched a René demo and its far more versatile than I expected... Might have to eventually get both.

davidh · Post by **davidh** » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:22 am

some fun things you can do with René
sync on a number of steps, then shift and you access to other steps

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wigwig · Post by **wigwig** » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:25 am

Can you provide a link?
Video isn't visible here...
Thanks

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Rene vs Metropolis