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Entrainer · Post by **Entrainer** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:34 am

blue_lu wrote: any recs?
so far I have:
[2OSC HRM, Xfade] +
[TRI LF VCO, Dual Env, 24dB Filter] +
[Rungler, matrix, nodeproc]

TLFO, Super Phaser, Rungler (so you can use one @ audio rates/clocked...
the other as slower modulation source)

blue_lu · Post by **blue_lu** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:30 am

hi people - thanks for the recommendations. I haven't thought about a second rungler, yet, but I have to say I already use that one rungler a lot, and it seems really deep. in fact, it seems so deep that I don't really understand what it is doing and why it is it, haha.

what surprised me is that no one told me to buy a second filter - I just started trying to ping the filter with the dual env. and it gives me a nice liquidy wooden tone, but since the filter resonance doesn't go super high / into self osc., I can't get that resonating "piiiiing", more like a short "pock" - can you guys verify that or am I doing it wrong? reso is cranked on the filter and the env. is set very short and goes into bp in.

I am a little torn on getting a dual phase vs shaper/phase - since the node proc already does some wave shaping and it'd be nice to have some stereo phasing. also, I read somewhere that the phaser is very "ping-able" - and it'd be nice to have two, maybe... [triLFvco, dualphaser, shaper/???]

regarding the wave shaping via node proc - do you guys experience that the last scale on the quantizer is the most effective for wave shaping? I got some crazy sounds last night.

NYMo · Post by **NYMo** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:44 am

The filter is certainly no Moog killer, but I really like the fact that one can mix the lo, hp, and bp together and it sounds really smooth..also the distortion is a nice touch.

Cheers

Neovintage · Post by **Neovintage** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:51 am

Super Phaser? Is that 2 VCA Shapers?
I believe that this was made because Entrainer had already a Dual Phaser.
The phaser is a nice add too.

I think the Shaper complete the 2 waveshapers in the NodeProcs

NYMo · Post by **NYMo** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:32 am

The sound of crickets !

Cheers

Entrainer · Post by **Entrainer** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:04 pm

Neovintage wrote:Super Phaser? Is that 2 VCA Shapers?

I think the Shaper complete the 2 waveshapers in the NodeProcs

I think Superphaser is the name of the Shaper/Phaser module. The previous
was a Dual Phaser and what I order I call a Dual Shaper, not sure if Rob
would call it the same.

The NodeProc's shapers are digital. The VCA Shaper of the Superphaser or
Dual Shaper is analog.

I'm really looking forward to getting it because those filters really cry out
for unique timbre variations into the different inputs. A second filter
comes in handy for mono as well since you can spectral mix on the first,
track 1V/OCT (basically creating harmonic distribution/waveshape) then
use the 2nd filter as a traditional LPF/BPF/HPF filter. Of course, you need
the variations which the Superphaser can bring with ringmod, waveshaper,
and phaser.

Neovintage · Post by **Neovintage** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:08 pm

Ok, I guess you were talking about a second Rungler(one for DC, one for AC). I thought that you mentioned 2 VCAShaper because one could do DC and the other AC.

Anyway, as Robs modules cover both additive and substractive synthesis I'll only get one filter and concentrate on modulations but as you said the triple filter input is great on changing timbres...in slew too.

Entrainer · Post by **Entrainer** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:57 pm

Can sometime with both the Triple LFO and Dual Envelope try to gate
their envelope from the B Pulse out on the 3LFO for me?

Mine DE is freezing, gate light always lit. Gates fine from Rungler pulse out.
Even the C Triangle triggers it. B Pulse is freezing it.

Wondering if yours' triggers or freezes.

Hanz · Post by **Hanz** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:18 am

It (currently) works in my system, no freezing.
However, the DE gate can be a tricky beast. When I received my system it was tweaked one or two times by Rob to make sure it was properly responding to different triggers, also from external sources.

One trick that I used to work around any issues is to insert the the Mini Matrix into the patch. The buffering this introduces somehow positively affects weak/non-standard triggers.

In my case, I thought the issue was also related to the initial 'experimental' normalization that was set up (it's one of the first multipanel systems).
In current multipanel versions, wasn't the default normalization set up that B PULSE triggers DE gate?
(I've now had al my normalizations removed, including the one between the left and right part of my brain... feels much better...

)

Neovintage · Post by **Neovintage** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:44 am

My TriLFO has a triangle and a pulse (not inverted triangle) with LFO C.
I remember when I was at Rob's Workshop that the LFO C Pulse was too powerful, light was always on. We had to attenuate it to make it work. The B pulse is fine.

Hanz · Post by **Hanz** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:53 am

Ah, I think you're refering to the newer version of the TriLFO.
Very interesting, that one. I received an early demo and the updates (minor, more like "optimizations") seemed to make good sense.

Entrainer · Post by **Entrainer** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:22 am

Thanks for taking the time to respond! I'll go check today and see if that
works/helps. Makes sense, both answers. I'm certain I used B Pulse before
successfully to trigger the Dual Envelope.

Perhaps I placed the B Pulse into Matrix prior (as Hanz suggested) to multiply
the clock for both Rungler + Dual Envelope.

No inversion on C on the new TriLFO? Hmm... I like that inversion but I
could see the benefit of getting a clock/pulse instead as a built-in divider.

Hanz · Post by **Hanz** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:52 am

The inversion is, of course, still easily obtained via the Mini Matrix / Node Processor panel.

The updated TriLFO that I saw included different routing as well, which makes very good sense as the original LFO A to LFO C modulation path has a more limited 'sweet spot'.

Neovintage · Post by **Neovintage** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:19 pm

By using the bipolar VCA you can of course easely obtain the inverted triangle.
I'm not aware about other changes. What differences in cross modulation are there between both models. I have 2 "new" TriLFO

Hanz · Post by **Hanz** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:14 pm

Can you upload a pic for reference?

Neovintage · Post by **Neovintage** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:24 pm

Sadly not before a week.
But the only difference is the pulse output on C instead of inverted triangle output

Hanz · Post by **Hanz** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:59 pm

Mmm... not sure... I thought the routing / normaling between the three LF-VCO's was also different.

In the original version;
-C MOD source is A (limited sweet spot in lowest speed range of LF-VCO A as the effect will become quite unnoticeable at high speed)
-B MOD source is C
-A MOD source is C

Wasn't this updated - I remember seeing C MOD source was now made C? (thus modulating itself... interesting design choice, eh...)

Neovintage · Post by **Neovintage** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:42 am

I see what you mean. I find that LFO C Mod "slows" LFO C but I'm sure how it wirks

Neovintage · Post by **Neovintage** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:52 am

The master said : "The Lfo C Mod slows down the rate of the downgoing slope of the triangle.
The rate of the upgoijg slope remains the same. So, when e.g. speeding up
the lfo and opening the C MOD knob the waveform will take on the form of an
fast attack and slow decay envelope. The pulse output is high when the slope
is going up and low when it is going down, so the pulse length will remain
the same but the time between the pulses will increase."

Awesome feature

Hanz · Post by **Hanz** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:58 am

Praise be to the master

Neovintage · Post by **Neovintage** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:15 am

Yeah

He finished the flowcharts (VCA/Shaper, Rungler, Blender and LFO) too

NYMo · Post by **NYMo** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:51 am

Blender ?? Is this something new ?

Cheers

Neovintage · Post by **Neovintage** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:13 am

The Blender is used instead of the Dual Fader in a Osc/Osc/Blender panel.
It consists of one fader of the Dual Fader, a bipolar VCA and a waveshaper.

Hanz · Post by **Hanz** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:22 am

*brain explodes*

Neovintage · Post by **Neovintage** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:34 am

The Blender starts with a two input manual crossfade mixer that is by default normalized to the outputs of the two OscHRM VCA outputs in the
Osc/Osc/Blender panel. Then the output of this crossfade mixer goes
into a bipolar VCA. The modulation input of the bipolar VCA is normalized to the VCA output of the second osc, which instantly gives the possibility for ringmodulation or if a jack is used on the mod input to apply an envelope or LFO effect or ringmodulation from another source. Then
the output of the bipolar VCA is fed into the input of the waveshaper slightly different from the VCA-Shaper. It has a second DC-coupled waveshaper input that is just added to the input signal, which allows to create e.g. slow LFO controlled 'phasing' effects. The waveshaper has a dry/wet control and the dry/wet output is fed to input B of the final voltage controlled crossfade mixer. The A input of the crossfade mizer is hardwired to the In A input, which is at the beginning of the signal chain. So, the final xfade mixes between the signal on the IN A input and whatever processing is done to the manual xfade, the bipolar VCA and/or
the waveshaper chain.

So in a few emoticons :

MOD WIGGLER

MOD WIGGLER

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