Plan-B Update

reppiks · Post by **reppiks** » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:12 pm

Ooh, shivers down my spine!

Mitchk1989 · Post by **Mitchk1989** » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:22 pm

Any chance the 70s thing will be easily interpatchable with euro?

I keep hoping for more exotic and 'feature complete' designer versions of things like the dark energy, set up to be a stand alone music easel type thing but still compatible with my euro - really hoping something along those lines is the next wiard project after the 300 series is done with, but this might work too.

Even considered getting an XS and just filling the jacks with 3.5mm adapters, but switched jacks = broken normalization unless I'm actually pulling out and putting in the adapters all the time, plus I'd want a sequencer or touchplate keyboard in my easel so it could be usable in a backpack all by itself (ideally there would be 3 usage scenarios - simple no cords basic monosynth prepatched, then I could get complex with patchcords, the I could get more complex with the euro)

Muff Wiggler · Post by **Muff Wiggler** » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:25 pm

I don't know what Peter has in mind but an Evenfall Mini Modular would fit all three of your use cases very well Mitch. No seq or touchplate controller but everything else you ask for is there.

I recently landed one after years of looking and I'm blown away by it - such a shame these things didn't see wider production.

a100user · Post by **a100user** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:26 am

As a big fan of Peter's modules, I am really happy that the future looks bright.

Licensing is absolutely the right way to go, I have a Subcon M15 and it's wonderful.

Peter,

I hope you can continue to license your designs and look forward to seeing what else the future brings.

iamgoldman · Post by **iamgoldman** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:51 am

polyroy · Post by **polyroy** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:25 am

I remember speaking to Peter before about some of his new ideas and they sound fucking phenomenal. Can't wait to see the finished product, as I'm a massive fan of his Euro line.

I'm glad to see the community reacting so positively towards this as well, it's a wonderful thing.

exper · Post by **exper** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:33 am

Does that well known 70's instrument rhyme with weasel?!?!?

usw · Post by **usw** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:48 am

From lynch mob to

I hope it will help cynthia feeling more confident

The collusion of frustration and materialism certainly make beautiful rainbows

phillip m gallo · Post by **phillip m gallo** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:02 am

... i expected some magnanimity would eventually rear its head.

A possible cue would have been the quip about Subcon which comically implied the extent of involvement was perhaps to scrawl "... low quality graffiti ..."

The "love fest" that is this thread is predominantly the result of the specific and intentional efforts of one person; cEvin key.

I would be surprised if any other program participant would suggest they have a competing claim for the outcome to date.

p

richard · Post by **richard** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:52 am

Oh, that was merely my standard design prejudice Phil - I am repulsed by the visual appearance of these two releases - and not intended as a comment on Subcon themselves, or suggesting the limits of anyone's involvement. I've also posted more than once welcoming this development and collaboration from the very beginning so my comment should be seen in that light.

I'm still using my M24, M28, M15s, M10s and M13s very regularly and I'd be very happy to see the whole range back in high quality production as part of a licensing deal one day.

sentimentalist · Post by **sentimentalist** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:12 am

Very happy to see planB again.
I like my 2 m15 so much!!
'm very interested in the m16 spectral mutiplexer.

But not sure, I could handle the front panels of the Subconscious modules.
Their redesign, I could probably play only with a very dark sunglasses.
The classic planB design is for me one of the best.

wavecircle · Post by **wavecircle** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:38 am

Plan B designs are brilliant, I just hope subcon will put out more vanilla faceplates. This is great news all round. I used to speak to Peter years ago and always found him very helpful and enthusiastic, hopefully things will all be good and we will see some euro Miltons.

haima · Post by **haima** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:28 am

wavecircle wrote:I just hope subcon will put out more vanilla faceplates.

I'd have to agree with that... I hate to say it, but the new faceplates really turn me off buying a M15, as shallow as that is.

I'm all for the variety that exists in the euro panel world. But this one's not my style... each to their own I suppose.

wavecircle · Post by **wavecircle** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:51 am

The M15 design does confuse me somewhat. It has 1v/oct input, 2 exp FM inputs with attenuators, 1 lin FM input with attenuator but no attenuator for PWM. I find that strange.

DougD · Post by **DougD** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:06 am

Before I got my Subcon m15 I was worried enough about the faceplate that I was planning on designing my own and having it custom made. Plan B's old faceplates are clear and well laid out - I generally prefer the "scientific instrument" look.

But once I started playing it I stopped caring. It sounds great, that's all that matters to me in the end.

jfloftin · Post by **jfloftin** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:43 am

wavecircle wrote:Plan B designs are brilliant, I just hope subcon will put out more vanilla faceplates. This is great news all round. I used to speak to Peter years ago and always found him very helpful and enthusiastic, hopefully things will all be good and we will see some euro Miltons.

I may have been a little out of line on the Plan C comment. I total agree with the above statement (on all points). Good for you Peter!

John Noble · Post by **John Noble** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:15 pm

I love the Ancient Eyeball Recipe motif on my Subcon M15/M37 combo and look forward to more like it.

Buckage · Post by **Buckage** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:52 pm

sentimentalist wrote:'m very interested in the m16 spectral multiplexer.

+1!

frozenkore · Post by **frozenkore** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:12 pm

John Noble wrote:I love the Ancient Eyeball Recipe motif on my Subcon M15/M37 combo and look forward to more like it.

+1

usw · Post by **usw** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:56 pm

I don't want to upset anyone, my post wasn't in anyway related to the fact that subcon has/will release some updated or new designs from peter Grenader ! But the ambivalence/bipolarity of collectives can get frightening....no flame, just

Resilience still get my favor...

Bluebox · Post by **Bluebox** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:12 pm

For what it's worth, I'm glad I contributed in some way to the restitution of owed monies (and restoration of goodwill) by purchasing the SubCon Plan B reissues. The fact that revenues from my purchase would be used to "put right what once went wrong" greatly influenced my decision to invest in these pieces, even at a time when budgeting for them was not an easy thing to do. Best wishes to all involved -- and reissue the Heisenberg Generator next!

Cheers,
-ian

Fnord · Post by **Fnord** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:46 pm

I think Peter is quite deserving of kudos (and subcon too). Seriously, here's someone who made mistakes, admitted to it, and is taking the steps to correct them, not only that, but he acknowledges and addresses his shortcomings and strongpoints. I think this is rather deserving of the community's support and positive vibes, and I can only hope that certain other wayward synth manufacturers can also set things right.

Also, i'm just sick of being negative. There's better focal points for hostility.

DomMorley · Post by **DomMorley** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:31 pm

Just to add my vote of confidence to the SubCon designs - I love them! Very cool, and I do prefer them to the Plan B faceplate.

Each to his own...

Thonk Support · Post by **Thonk Support** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:12 am

Fnord +1

Norman_Phay · Post by **Norman_Phay** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:54 am

Obviously it is great that Laurie got repaid. For people who fuck up like this it shows that it is possible to put things right & puts PG ahead & in a different class to others who have acted similarly.

(EDIT 26AUG2013 - maybe not - 6 years on from coughing up $505 that I could not easily afford, I still have not received goods or refund)

DomMorley wrote:Each to his own...

Well, each to his own unless you want the original faceplates (clean, elegant style) in which case you are s.o.l. I don't think it is shallow at all to care about what you look at when you are playing your instrument, and a big part of PG's talent for design is his interface design IMO. I'll pick up some of these if they become available with original style faceplates, otherwise the faceplate art is a turnoff to me, it really repels me, sorry.

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