MOTM-format iPad rails?

synthetic · Post by **synthetic** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:17 pm

Someone needs to build these. iPad would fit horizontally in a MOTM format system (6u wide). Better yet build a module with a CV and MIDI input/output and USB on one side, and rails to slide in the iPad. (Apple dock would be better but you would need their licensing.) Then you could run a sequencer like this on the system.

http://laurentcolson.com/steppolyarp.html

The whole system would be way less expensive than any of the dedicated 5U sequencers and much more powerful. Cyndustries made a mount for a Mac Mini, this would be way cooler.

nlaudadio · Post by **nlaudadio** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:26 pm

synthetic wrote:Someone needs to build these. iPad would fit horizontally in a MOTM format system (6u wide). Better yet build a module with a CV and MIDI input/output and USB on one side, and rails to slide in the iPad. (Apple dock would be better but you would need their licensing.) Then you could run a sequencer like this on the system.

http://laurentcolson.com/steppolyarp.html

The whole system would be way less expensive than any of the dedicated 5U sequencers and much more powerful. Cyndustries made a mount for a Mac Mini, this would be way cooler.

Now there's an idea.

Synesthesia · Post by **Synesthesia** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:11 pm

love it !

so ... did u try it ?

bwhittington · Post by **bwhittington** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:12 pm

Touchscreen sequencers are a concept I've long lusted over, but without cv inputs I would disagree that it would be cooler than an analog sequencer or really need to be mounted in my modular cabinet--aside for the coolness factor, of course!

The beauty of the analog approach is everything else you can do with it besides quantized pitch values at a set clock rate. I agree that this ap would be cool if that is your use, but you can't (yet?) send an ap irregular bursts of clock pulses, run it at audio rates, etc.

I'd go gaga over a nice mounting panel, but in my system I'd probably use it as an oscilloscope or sound source as much or more than sequencing.

Cheers,
Brian

synthetic · Post by **synthetic** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:33 pm

Sure, there are a bunch of applications for it. To get CV out, you could attach it to something like this:

http://www.analogindustries.com/blog/en ... 2071692712

I've been told that it will work at 15V even though it's Euro. Or get the Line 6 box for MIDI in/out.

http://line6.com/midimobilizer/

Or like you said, just as an audio source. Use the Fairlight app. Or the TASCAM Portastudio app.

bwhittington · Post by **bwhittington** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:40 pm

Okay, now that's cool. If someone writes an app that takes advantage of this thing's inputs, that would be totally awesome. Volta/Silent Way for iPad?

Synesthesia · Post by **Synesthesia** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:44 pm

This is cool.

I repeat myself but i just tried it - I like !

The sync options are real nice ... Midi In, out, and sync source.

I did a fast demo with the webcam - sorry for the crappy quality ;-)

[video][/video]

robotmakers · Post by **robotmakers** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:57 pm

I think I'd want the inputs/outputs to be rack mounted, but not the iPad itself. It's a walkabout sort of thing that begs to be held. I was sort of hoping that the interface between the modular and the iPad could be done with Airplay or some other sort of wireless technology. A module with CV and audio in/out that broadcasts over wi-fi to the iPad, freeing it from tethers would be terrific. There's something to be said for reduced latency with wired connections, but wireless MIDI works surprisingly well. Here's some proof with my continuous keyboard iPad app controlling Moog modular over wireless MIDI - wi-fi latency was not an issue:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32064

In any case, I'd be very interested in the adm02 USB sort of module mentioned earlier, but in 5U please!

Cheers,
Roger

Synesthesia · Post by **Synesthesia** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:03 pm

Hey robotmakers,

this soft sync via wifi as well

so as long as you have a puter connected to your modular, you are sorted

Supported Midi connections:

Midi Wifi Network (RTP Midi)
Apple USB camera connection kit
Any Core Midi compatible interface
Line 6 Midi Mobilizer
DSMidiWifi

synthetic · Post by **synthetic** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:37 pm

People would probably want something where the iPad wasn't permanently installed. Like you slide it in, or set it there or magnets or whatever, when you want to use it. Even though the price is low enough that it's still cheaper than your basic 960. I just need that Line6 thingy and I'm in business.

JohnLRice · Post by **JohnLRice** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:28 pm

There is this one that is 5U and it can be found for around $60 but . . . yeah, takes up a whole row/wastes a lot of space and sticks way out/doesn't look cool!

http://www.markertek.com/Computer-Relat ... D-RM.xhtml

decaying.sine · Post by **decaying.sine** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:00 pm

How about a few 5U blanks with that industrial velcro? That's a quick solution. These i* technology are throw away after a few years anyways and there's a great second hand market even if there is tape goo or broken screens. Plus there's goo gone!

ersatzplanet · Post by **ersatzplanet** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:36 pm

decaying.sine wrote:How about a few 5U blanks with that industrial velcro? That's a quick solution. These i* technology are throw away after a few years anyways and there's a great second hand market even if there is tape goo or broken screens. Plus there's goo gone!

I made a Eurorack iPhone module by cutting a Dock sized hole in a panel and mounting the phone with dock attached via industrial Velcro. It is a fair amount of tug to get it off the panel. A piece as large as the iPad would be a VERY firm hold. You can get a cheap case and put the velcro on it if you don't want to put it on the iPad. I used a car adaptor to power the dock - just cut the cigarette adaptor end off and wire it to the +12 volt supply in the eurorack. A pair of jacks are wired to a male plug that plugs into the dock and bob's your uncle. I ended up having to use a preamp module to beef the signal up but that will get built into the next revision. There are a lot more options on the iPad with TouchOSC and other nice apps too.
-James

decaying.sine · Post by **decaying.sine** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:42 pm

and I double the

for James' "Bob's yer uncle" use!

sduck · Post by **sduck** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:02 pm

I just got the StepPolyArp app working - it works really well as a basic sequencer via midi. I presume this app is still a work in progress - it has some very big things missing currently that could be implemented fairly easily I'm guessing.

I'm still on the fence about a dedicated holder for the ipad on the modular - besides taking up a lot of space, it seems kind of unnecessary. I mean, you've got the connection going wirelessly anyway - why tie the thing down?

ersatzplanet · Post by **ersatzplanet** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:37 pm

sduck wrote:I'm still on the fence about a dedicated holder for the ipad on the modular - besides taking up a lot of space, it seems kind of unnecessary. I mean, you've got the connection going wirelessly anyway - why tie the thing down?

I agree with you on this one. The iPad seems to *want* to be used at a angle or even horizontal. The best thing would be a wireless module that had CV and Gate outs that would talk to the iPad - a OSC module that would work for OSC programs like TouchOSC and also work with wireless MIDI. A lot to ask for but I think THe Missing Link guys are working on that sort of thing (I remember suggesting to them that it would be a good seller). They already have the OSC>MIDI wireless box which is pretty cool. A couple of MIDI>CV converters added to that and it would be a great system - no computer needed.

http://www.wifimidi.com/
-James

spinach_pizza · Post by **spinach_pizza** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:59 pm

Also - Jim Coker at five12 is currently looking at using an iPad to control Numerology. This StepPolyArp app looks cool and all, but Numerology, you know . . .

rico loverde · Post by **rico loverde** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:16 pm

I've been using Amos with my rig. Very fun. I'll post some video when I get home tonight. It's great with a multiple channel midi to cv interface. You can have 5 diff channels each with it's own ball. Here's some footage from YouTube (not me)

[video][/video]

synthetic · Post by **synthetic** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:50 pm

spinach_pizza wrote:Also - Jim Coker at five12 is currently looking at using an iPad to control Numerology. This StepPolyArp app looks cool and all, but Numerology, you know . . .

Control it? Just port the whole thing to iPad.

sduck · Post by **sduck** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:45 pm

spinach_pizza wrote:Also - Jim Coker at five12 is currently looking at using an iPad to control Numerology. This StepPolyArp app looks cool and all, but Numerology, you know . . .

Yea, that's one of the first things that popped into my mind. I spent a few minutes getting StepPolyArp to work on the ipad with my macbook via wifi, and have it drive the midi interface, which could drive the blacet midiverter on my modular (whew!); all so I could have a small subset of what I could do with numerology much easier and faster. Hmmmm.

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