Future for Cwejman?

[Dogma]

yep. perception is a heck of a thing.. I repaired a Macbeth module for a friend, same old shit as anyone else. I once had a friend tell me to *raise* prices in the face of competition.. I didn't.. but it's an interesting strategy.. appeals to a certain market for sure to feel as if they've made the superior purchase.

you're repulsive approach towards other, higher priced, manufactures makes me wanna sell all of your modules I have right away.

I have no idea why you’ve chosen to write that crap but hey it’s your opinion. Like asssholes, we all have one I guess

[Dogma]

yep. perception is a heck of a thing.. I repaired a Macbeth module for a friend, same old shit as anyone else. I once had a friend tell me to *raise* prices in the face of competition.. I didn't.. but it's an interesting strategy.. appeals to a certain market for sure to feel as if they've made the superior purchase.

you're repulsive approach towards other, higher priced, manufactures makes me wanna sell all of your modules I have right away.

I have no idea why you’ve chosen to write that crap but hey it’s your opinion. Like asssholes, we all have one I guess

And with cwejman, he used the best VCAs but the rest was just brilliant circuit design and at retail very reasonably priced, he shall be missed that is for sure

[langley]

Clicked on this thread as I knew Wowa and I respected both him and his products and am really surprised at the nasty words here!! Why don't we let people try to make a living and stop criticising? You can listen and decide to buy...or not buy. The whole "it's too expensive" discussion is just annoying. Grow the £$%^ up.

[oldenjon]

I'm not sure that anyone is criticizing, not me anyways. Maybe just trying to demystify the manufacturing side of things, which was more relevant at the beginning of this discussion. Anyways, Cwejman modules are great, among the best I would say. The old adage 'You get what you pay for' certainly applies.

[Fog Door]

Maybe just trying to demystify the manufacturing side of things

Which I found to be interesting and informative, and sparked a healthy discussion in my opinion. What else is the forum for? I didn't read it as a criticism or view it as disrespectful of Cwejman.

[Gringo Starr]

Over the last couple years Cwejman discussions don’t seem to go well. I simply posted a thread informing people to keep their eyes peeled for future runs of Cwejman modules. It immediately derailed.

[toppobrillo]

I have no idea whats going on in a cwejman module. With that said:

With my brand, in some of our products we sorted and matched every single pot, some of the transistors and a handful of caps. This means that every single of these parts coming into inventory is measured, labeled, sorted and for those that are outside the window of tolerance specified, discarded. Between the labor involved in this and the percentage that went in the trash, this could add anywhere from 10x to 100x the price of the part per line item.

so, when you open up the module and see a bunch of super common, cheap parts, if those parts are all say %10, and the manufacturer sorted them down to %1, all of a sudden that part is definitely not so cheap anymore. Unless the manufacturer is putting a nail polish paint code on transistors like some british console manfucturers did in the late 60s, there is likely little to tell anyone looking at a new board the degree of sorting, if any, is present.

So to dismiss a thing as "its the same cheap stuff as everyone else" on the surface is of course accurate, because there is only so much stuff to chose from to build these common circuits, but it also doesnt necessarily tell the whole story. There is definitely a way for a $0.20 part to cost $2.50 if its a %10 part and it takes 10 pc to find a %1 part. been there... A module built of exactly the same shit as someone else can legit incur 100x the manufacturing costs if the parts specified are not available sorted by the component manufacturer and the circuit is spec'd for a higher degree of precision that the presorted parts arrive in.

I have no comment on who is or isnt doing this, just that there should be some caution applied if you are going to be dismissive about the actual installed price of common parts, there is a version of this where its not as simple as it may appear. Just because you can buy a given part for $0.10 does not necessarily mean that it cost the manufacturer only $0.10 by the time that part was selected for installation.

well, matching transistors and caps certainly makes sense in some products, but you can buy tight tolerance ones too that ya don't have to sort as much.. caps less so than xistrs, obvs, and FETs are another thing altogether... pots? like ya mapped the taper on nonlinear pots with some kinda fancy stepper motor jig? that's cool !

well, I would try to buy like I said, parts that are already specc'd. be it opamps , resistors (i've bought .05% before) etc.to cut that labor out of it. With SMD/pick and place mfr, it would be a reallllly tedious job.

not saying that cwejman or whoever doesn't spot check parts or have test protocols that exceed the average euro mfr.. maybe. but imho, if you need to spec out and test a bunch of .20 parts.. you're doing it wrong.. because there are options.

I think Paul Schreiber can literally *smell* this thread, so look out!!

[paults]

All I can say with certainty is that all the modules I ever held in my hands were 100% hand soldered. Which would vastly limit production to a dribble.

Maybe that was his intent.