Do any of these guys believe in god? (Cwejman after his passing)

[Bob Loblaw]

Apples weren’t even around that part of the world in biblical times.

Haha, exactly. But you know, debating religious beliefs with a religious person is pointless.

[01235813]

I find 50k hillarious..

If I'm making a sale, I would sell to the highest bidder.

Nothing wrong with that.

[KSS]

it's probably a bit early to ask so apologies for being insensitive - but has there been any word yet on the future of the brand?

When I read the post on Matrixsynth about Wowa's passing -RIP- it appeared to suggest that a second party was involved and that the brand would not die. But that right now it was time to deal with the losss first. Gringo starr's post a few under yours says essentially the same thing, and may be a result of seeing the same post on Matrixsynth. Or not, it might have been shared somewhere else too. I only know I scrolled awaty from that post with two solid thoughts. Sadness that Wowa was gone, and hope that Maho -or someone- was planning to continue the brand and products.

It did not read as if the brand was going away permanently, but definitely would be gone temporarily.

[KSS]

I use to come on this forum as a student around 2008s at a time when modular was far more 'niche' than it is now.
...
I gave the forum a break for 7 years or so and since I've come back to a different landscape.
Overall the 'fair is fair' attitude is struggling to survive against a new discourse which has come to contradict it and defends 'free market', now with a community which must have expanded x10 fold.

^ Typical forum evolution. Here's one take on how -and why- it happens.
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

[3pand]

If someone walked up to me and wanted to give me 5k for my mmf-1s, I’d take it in a heartbeat as that is a lot of money to me. Does that make me a terrible person?

Also, if I was putting it up for sale now (not happening), I could see myself listing it for super high because if I don’t, some annoying flipper is going to buy it and just re-list it for way more. Since that is virtually guaranteed to happen, I’d rather that extra money go to me instead.

Genuinely curious how this situation can be avoided.

[KSS]

Genuinely curious how this situation can be avoided.

In a free market -or those posing as one- it can't. Full stop.

[dubonaire]

It's all really abysmal and a big part of me wishes this forum could make a statement about rapacious behavior but quite clearly it chooses to take another path.

You're such a roody-poo.

This is a moderator calling me a piece of shit. I don't care, but I just thought I'd let those of you who are not up on social media euphemisms know this.

[flipper16]

If someone walked up to me and wanted to give me 5k for my mmf-1s, I’d take it in a heartbeat as that is a lot of money to me. Does that make me a terrible person?

Also, if I was putting it up for sale now (not happening), I could see myself listing it for super high because if I don’t, some annoying flipper is going to buy it and just re-list it for way more. Since that is virtually guaranteed to happen, I’d rather that extra money go to me instead.

Genuinely curious how this situation can be avoided.

What are you trying to say?

[Joe.]

It's all really abysmal and a big part of me wishes this forum could make a statement about rapacious behavior but quite clearly it chooses to take another path.

You're such a roody-poo.

This is a moderator calling me a piece of shit. I don't care, but I just thought I'd let those of you who are not up on social media euphemisms know this.

I call children roody-poos and jabronis whenever I can. It stops silliness and triggers some self reflection on their recent behaviour.

Have you figured out how to expand on your original snide comment yet, how to justify throwing shade on Muffwiggler (yet again) in a thread specifically about Reverb and their shitty price gouging culture?

[LunaticSound]

If someone walked up to me and wanted to give me 5k for my mmf-1s, I’d take it in a heartbeat as that is a lot of money to me. Does that make me a terrible person?

Also, if I was putting it up for sale now (not happening), I could see myself listing it for super high because if I don’t, some annoying flipper is going to buy it and just re-list it for way more. Since that is virtually guaranteed to happen, I’d rather that extra money go to me instead.

Genuinely curious how this situation can be avoided.

By selling here!

[flipper16]

If someone walked up to me and wanted to give me 5k for my mmf-1s, I’d take it in a heartbeat as that is a lot of money to me. Does that make me a terrible person?

Also, if I was putting it up for sale now (not happening), I could see myself listing it for super high because if I don’t, some annoying flipper is going to buy it and just re-list it for way more. Since that is virtually guaranteed to happen, I’d rather that extra money go to me instead.

Genuinely curious how this situation can be avoided.

By selling here!

Not sure what this achieves...

[LunaticSound]

If someone walked up to me and wanted to give me 5k for my mmf-1s, I’d take it in a heartbeat as that is a lot of money to me. Does that make me a terrible person?

Also, if I was putting it up for sale now (not happening), I could see myself listing it for super high because if I don’t, some annoying flipper is going to buy it and just re-list it for way more. Since that is virtually guaranteed to happen, I’d rather that extra money go to me instead.

Genuinely curious how this situation can be avoided.

By selling here!

Not sure what this achieves...

Selling it to a musician instead of a, ehem, flipper! Ask a fair price and make sure to sell to someone nice.

[flipper16]

If someone walked up to me and wanted to give me 5k for my mmf-1s, I’d take it in a heartbeat as that is a lot of money to me. Does that make me a terrible person?

Also, if I was putting it up for sale now (not happening), I could see myself listing it for super high because if I don’t, some annoying flipper is going to buy it and just re-list it for way more. Since that is virtually guaranteed to happen, I’d rather that extra money go to me instead.

Genuinely curious how this situation can be avoided.

By selling here!

Not sure what this achieves...

Selling it to a musician instead of a, ehem, flipper! Ask a fair price and make sure to sell to someone nice.

So how does this forum distinguish between a musician and a flipper . Or for that matter what a fair price is and who the nice people are?

[Joe.]

So how does this forum distinguish between a musician and a flipper . Or for that matter what a fair price is and who the nice people are?

Same way they always have. The site has never encouraged anonamous (low post count) trading: It's about getting to know other members and who you're trading with.

The moderators also discourage resellers that have been reported, by explaing to them the BST's 'Don't be a douche' guideline.

That being said, there's nothing stopping a buyer here from reselling higher elsewhere, but if you know who you're selling to there's less chance of it.

[Kummer]

I use to come on this forum as a student around 2008s at a time when modular was far more 'niche' than it is now.
...
I gave the forum a break for 7 years or so and since I've come back to a different landscape.
Overall the 'fair is fair' attitude is struggling to survive against a new discourse which has come to contradict it and defends 'free market', now with a community which must have expanded x10 fold.

^ Typical forum evolution. Here's one take on how -and why- it happens.
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

That's was an interesting read and an astute observation that I think many people understand intuitively but few could actually put into words so succinctly.

[flipper16]

So how does this forum distinguish between a musician and a flipper . Or for that matter what a fair price is and who the nice people are?

Same way they always have. The site has never encouraged anonamous (low post count) trading: It's about getting to know other members and who you're trading with.

The moderators also discourage resellers that have been reported, by explaing to them the BST's 'Don't be a douche' guideline.

That being said, there's nothing stopping a buyer here from reselling higher elsewhere, but if you know who you're selling to there's less chance of it.

Hi Joe,
Having a low post count doesn't stop someone buying here though does it; and as for the second point there's nothing stopping "that" person acting nice and non douche like till they have what they came for then turning into a complete arse!

The only way to stem this behaviour I believe is to STOP shit-posting and bitching about them and their prices! This only provides free advertising for them. If you see someone asking immoral prices just ignore the post and move on, eventually they'll get the message when they're stuck with all the Cwejman modules they hoovered up.

[chysn]

The idea that morality comes from gods is more damaging than price-gouging.

[LunaticSound]

If someone walked up to me and wanted to give me 5k for my mmf-1s, I’d take it in a heartbeat as that is a lot of money to me. Does that make me a terrible person?

Also, if I was putting it up for sale now (not happening), I could see myself listing it for super high because if I don’t, some annoying flipper is going to buy it and just re-list it for way more. Since that is virtually guaranteed to happen, I’d rather that extra money go to me instead.

Genuinely curious how this situation can be avoided.

By selling here!

Not sure what this achieves...

Selling it to a musician instead of a, ehem, flipper! Ask a fair price and make sure to sell to someone nice.

So how does this forum distinguish between a musician and a flipper . Or for that matter what a fair price is and who the nice people are?

This forum doesn't distinguish, you do. Stop pretending to be more stupid than you are

[flipper16]

If someone walked up to me and wanted to give me 5k for my mmf-1s, I’d take it in a heartbeat as that is a lot of money to me. Does that make me a terrible person?

Also, if I was putting it up for sale now (not happening), I could see myself listing it for super high because if I don’t, some annoying flipper is going to buy it and just re-list it for way more. Since that is virtually guaranteed to happen, I’d rather that extra money go to me instead.

Genuinely curious how this situation can be avoided.

By selling here!

Not sure what this achieves...

Selling it to a musician instead of a, ehem, flipper! Ask a fair price and make sure to sell to someone nice.

So how does this forum distinguish between a musician and a flipper . Or for that matter what a fair price is and who the nice people are?

This forum doesn't distinguish, you do. Stop pretending to be more stupid than you are

[cinnatoastg]

^ Typical forum evolution. Here's one take on how -and why- it happens.
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

Appreciate that post. It was a good read for sure.

[minimalist]

^ Typical forum evolution. Here's one take on how -and why- it happens.
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

Appreciate that post. It was a good read for sure.

Agreed. I can see definite parallels.

[Shakespeare]

Thread regarding Mr. Cwejman's passing: 6 pages of posts in eight days.

Thread regarding people selling Cwejman modules for ridiculous prices: 4 pages of posts in 8 hours.

Draw your own conclusions.

[minimalist]

Isn't this simple demand > supply; therefore those with the supply control the market. It's not fair but that's life.

The same think exists, to a lesser and slightly more transparent state, in the Cirklon market. Those who want one complain that (1) they have to wait, (2) they are expensive, (3) those available 2nd hand are even more expensive. Those who have them are cool with the wait and the gouging because it means their investment is sound and easy to sell if needed.

If the market is flooded and supply overtakes demand, the independent creator may struggle to maintain a sustainable income so I think it makes good commercial sense for smaller manufacturers to control their supply if they can do so and maintain a good quality of life. I am also ok with the gougers taking advantage of those who "have to have it". Both of these groups people are easy to spot and avoid if you so wish. I had my name down for a couple of Cwejman modules and was/am happy to pay retail, but I'm not losing sleep over missing out.

At another end of the market, a friend of mine is into expensive cars. He goes to all the launches and travels the world with their amateur racing programme and buys every model they make. He is on the list for the ultra-exclusive models which he keeps for a few months and then sells for a huge profit. The dealer (and possibly the factory) is completely complicit in this. He has a deal where he lets them resell the used car, and they share the profit. If he decides to sell himself without cutting the supplying dealer back in, he will be bumped down the list for the next one. Sucks to be rich too.

[pieter]

Thread regarding Mr. Cwejman's passing: 6 pages of posts in eight days.

Thread regarding people selling Cwejman modules for ridiculous prices: 4 pages of posts in 8 hours.

Draw your own conclusions.

I'm sorry, but that is a false equivalence. There is no debate in the memorial thread. Once people have conveyed their condoleances and sadness what else is there to say?

I think there are very valid points made here. Buying and selling through Muffs is an imperfect way to avoid selling to scalpers, but it is better than putting it up on Reverb. It is good to look at this problem from many angles (or even debate whether it is a problem at all).

[Kent]

Folks, let’s turn the heat down a bit, eh? It’s devolved into false equivalences, name calling, and posturing. I’m all for letting people portray themselves as they wish to be seen but it serves less purpose when most of you are anonymous and noisy.