Do any of these guys believe in god? (Cwejman after his passing)

[Hastur]

What’s god got to do with any of this? I’m an Atheist, but I wouldn’t jack up prices like this.

I understood the title like this : Do any of these guys believe in Santa, thinking some people will pay those prices ?

[cretaceousear]

Are you sure this guy isn't just pulling your chains?
In bad taste but it's working quite well.

[Tomorrow Sounds Good]

Childish but fun

[Pelsea]

Remember Beanie Babies? How about collector's plates? Hummel figurines?

[cinnatoastg]

Remember Beanie Babies?

That moment when you made money on beanie babies AND GME.

[oldenjon]

The OP sent me a PM at the beginning of this thread and I'll reiterate what I said there. I don't think there's anyone crazy enough to spend $50k on an attenuator module, it's definitely a joke. Furthermore, I don't really understand why anyone is complaining about some opportunistic price gouging. The used Cwejman market has always been crazy and it seems like Wowa did everything he could to create and sustain that market while he was alive. They're great modules, but they didn't need to cost as much as they did and he didn't need to stay in a cottage industry that trickled out a few modules every year. He probably understood it would drive demand, that he could charge whatever he wanted and people would still pay.

[glennfin]

I don't believe in god. but i wouldn't do that.

Same here.... It's sad when people believe morality comes from a god.

[Gringo Starr]

I don't really understand why anyone is complaining about some opportunistic price gouging.

Used Cwejman prices have been crazy high for years but this time it’s the timing of it that shows the lack of class in these people. Of course the $50,000 one is a joke but I don’t believe the others are.

[EATyourGUITAR]

pathetic opportunistic gougers win.

you don't like the free market? what would you do if you were king?

[adaris]

The OP sent me a PM at the beginning of this thread and I'll reiterate what I said there. I don't think there's anyone crazy enough to spend $50k on an attenuator module, it's definitely a joke. Furthermore, I don't really understand why anyone is complaining about some opportunistic price gouging. The used Cwejman market has always been crazy and it seems like Wowa did everything he could to create and sustain that market while he was alive. They're great modules, but they didn't need to cost as much as they did and he didn't need to stay in a cottage industry that trickled out a few modules every year. He probably understood it would drive demand, that he could charge whatever he wanted and people would still pay.

Some of these people are essentially scalpers, they bought the modules at or near retail price not because they particularly wanted the modules but because they saw an opportunity to gouge people who did want them, which personally I think is rather obnoxious. Like ticket scalpers. Others no doubt genuinely wanted the modules when they bought them and are now just opportunistically shopping them around, which I at least get on some level. It does aid and encourage the first group though. But it is what it is, and in the end I just find it kind of silly, as there are plenty of great modules around that aren't Cwejman.

[EATyourGUITAR]

Scalpers also risk their own money and participate in the same market as everyone else. The higher the profit the higher the risk. The higher the price the lower the demand. Speculation generally ruins everything it touches. But you can't have a free market without speculators because speculators are using the same currency and the same venue to make purchases that normal buyers use. The only difference with a speculators is that the utility is speculation as a financial instrument instead of the actual utility. The money to buy modules also moves around every time the original purchase is made so this actually helps manufacturers and retailers increase both total sales and margin since it puts upward pressure on price and demand.

[LunaticSound]

pathetic opportunistic gougers win.

you don't like the free market? what would you do if you were king?

I would order the king to be slain of course!

[3hands]

I really fail to see why anyone cares. I have a titanium spork I’d be willing to sell for 10,000 euro. If you don’t want to buy it that’s ok too.

I care because it continues to keep the overall prices high. I wish Eurorack would be cheaper someday, with increasing sales volume.

I do music that way because I like it, and would like to see more people doing it, not to show them how fortunate I am. Speculation will keep a lot of potential artists out of Eurorack, unfortunately...

No it won’t, nobody needs Cwejman or any other brand to make music and there’s always Doepfer and Behringer for the penniless masses.

Some of us that own Behringer aren’t penniless. Quite the opposite actually. We just happen to understand that something like a tb303 isn’t worth the money people are asking for it. Careful with the over generalizations.

Careful with the not getting sarcasm baby.

Sarcasm doesn’t work well over the Internet. Try using words next time, yes?

[cinnatoastg]

pathetic opportunistic gougers win.

you don't like the free market? what would you do if you were king?

These are the same intuitions at work when people charge north of $50 for a case of water during a regional emergency (Toledo, OH, 2014). People who do this kind of stuff should be shamed out of polite society. Going through a time where you literally couldn't get water for multiple days, even from your own faucet and seeing what people do to capitalize really changed my mind about such things.

I get what you’re saying and no one is gonna die without a module, but screw the free market, it rewards peoples worst intentions.

It's an idealistic was to look at things, sure, but how hard is it to stop "capitalizing" off of other people and their psychology?

I say this as someone who does not own and has never had any intention of buying cwejman.

[Uncle Meatball]

I really fail to see why anyone cares. I have a titanium spork I’d be willing to sell for 10,000 euro. If you don’t want to buy it that’s ok too.

I care because it continues to keep the overall prices high. I wish Eurorack would be cheaper someday, with increasing sales volume.

I do music that way because I like it, and would like to see more people doing it, not to show them how fortunate I am. Speculation will keep a lot of potential artists out of Eurorack, unfortunately...

No it won’t, nobody needs Cwejman or any other brand to make music and there’s always Doepfer and Behringer for the penniless masses.

Some of us that own Behringer aren’t penniless. Quite the opposite actually. We just happen to understand that something like a tb303 isn’t worth the money people are asking for it. Careful with the over generalizations.

Careful with the not getting sarcasm baby.

Sarcasm doesn’t work well over the Internet. Try using words next time, yes?

Unless I’m very much mistaken, I did use words... Try reading with some discernment next time, yes?

[bronzebygold]

I wonder if they are actually getting those prices.

It's easy to look through the history of recent sales on Reverb. I see a D-LFO sold for $1800 recently, but that's the highest price I see. The vast majority of sales from the last week are well within the range that was expected for Cwejman modules. It appears that the market doesn't know exactly how much these modules are worth yet, and buyers are not falling for the ridiculous prices just yet. So I expect in a few months the price will return to something slightly elevated from previous trends. Maybe a MMF-1 will go for $1000 vs. $700, but that's to be expected anywhere collectors and limited supply is involved.

[adaris]

I wonder if they are actually getting those prices.

It's easy to look through the history of recent sales on Reverb. I see a D-LFO sold for $1800 recently, but that's the highest price I see.

I'm not sure we can even assume that D-LFO sold for $1800. If I recall correctly Reverb only shows the listed price for sold listings, which doesn't take any offers that may have been agreed to into account.

EDIT: Never mind, I found the price history page, and it looks like it did in fact sell for over $1800.

[GauthierM]

Childish but fun

haha brilliant. thought about it as well for a moment. Thats how serious these prices and people should be considered

[neil.johnson]

This kind of thing happens all the time, and has been happening for so long...
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=63172

Neil

[Parnelli]

Human beings doing what human beings do best, being human. I don't like it, but it is what it is, you can't change human nature.

That being said I don't care how much I lusted after one of those modules I wouldn't pay those scalper prices, they can shove those modules up their arses first for all I care.

No disrespect meant to Cwejman and company...

[Gringo Starr]

pathetic opportunistic gougers win.

you don't like the free market? what would you do if you were king?

This has nothing to do with what I think about the free market and everything to do with me thinking that it's pathetic that there are people taking advantage of Wowas death just to grab a few extra thousand dollars.

[Bob Loblaw]

I talked to a person today who told me that he believed quite literally that Adam and Eve had been thrown out of Paradise by God because they had eaten the forbidden fruit (an apple, supposedly) offered to them by a talking snake, and so he thought eating apples was sinful. I just had to get that out. He's a nice guy, but obviously not very bright. He told me dead serious that he thought this had once happened in the real world.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the convo, just wanted to leave that somewhere. I mean, fucking hell.

[Zymos]

Apples weren’t even around that part of the world in biblical times.

[3hands]

I really fail to see why anyone cares. I have a titanium spork I’d be willing to sell for 10,000 euro. If you don’t want to buy it that’s ok too.

I care because it continues to keep the overall prices high. I wish Eurorack would be cheaper someday, with increasing sales volume.

I do music that way because I like it, and would like to see more people doing it, not to show them how fortunate I am. Speculation will keep a lot of potential artists out of Eurorack, unfortunately...

No it won’t, nobody needs Cwejman or any other brand to make music and there’s always Doepfer and Behringer for the penniless masses.

Some of us that own Behringer aren’t penniless. Quite the opposite actually. We just happen to understand that something like a tb303 isn’t worth the money people are asking for it. Careful with the over generalizations.

Careful with the not getting sarcasm baby.

Sarcasm doesn’t work well over the Internet. Try using words next time, yes?

Unless I’m very much mistaken, I did use words... Try reading with some discernment next time, yes?

Haha.

I think you know what I meant. Sarcasm seems
To be the bain of the Internet. Had I heard the intonation, I would have picked up on the sarcasm immediately. Perhaps I’m just old!! (Dont comment on that last bit!)

[Bobby]

I’m gonna make a totally unsubstantiated guess here but if anyone is feeling like they need to drop a crazy amount of money to get that last Cwejman module to compete their system then I would hold off because I have a feeling that there’s no way Maho is going to let production of already existing modules die along with Wowa. Again I have zero information suggesting this will be the case. Just a guess and worth waiting and not letting these pathetic opportunistic gougers win.

I second this. I've had no official confirmation and I dont intend to ask right now however I know Maho is still doing repairs bless her. She said she would be taking some time off though and shes entitled to it. My deepest sympathies go to her and the family. I've dealt with both her and Wowa as a customer and fan of their work for a very long time and they are truely lovely rare people.