Do any of these guys believe in god? (Cwejman after his passing)

[htor]

It's all really abysmal and a big part of me wishes this forum could make a statement about rapacious behavior but quite clearly it chooses to take another path.

careful with interacting too much with abysmalitarianists — or you'll develop a bit of rapaciousiosis!

[GauthierM]

I really fail to see why anyone cares. I have a titanium spork I’d be willing to sell for 10,000 euro. If you don’t want to buy it that’s ok too.

I care because it continues to keep the overall prices high. I wish Eurorack would be cheaper someday, with increasing sales volume.

I do music that way because I like it, and would like to see more people doing it, not to show them how fortunate I am. Speculation will keep a lot of potential artists out of Eurorack, unfortunately...

[cackland]

So generous!!!

[Uncle Meatball]

I really fail to see why anyone cares. I have a titanium spork I’d be willing to sell for 10,000 euro. If you don’t want to buy it that’s ok too.

I care because it continues to keep the overall prices high. I wish Eurorack would be cheaper someday, with increasing sales volume.

I do music that way because I like it, and would like to see more people doing it, not to show them how fortunate I am. Speculation will keep a lot of potential artists out of Eurorack, unfortunately...

No it won’t, nobody needs Cwejman or any other brand to make music and there’s always Doepfer and Behringer for the penniless masses.

[sir stony]

I think this kind of insane pricing on rare or desirable stuff in general is nothing short of a criminal exploit of market mechanisms and psychology. While it isn't illegal, it certainly is despicable. It's a sad display of greed and its impact on human behaviour. And there is nothing funny about it, even if it was meant as a joke, because it still triggers the same effect.

[cinnatoastg]

Who's got this in their cart? @studio460 is that you? lol

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[colb]

I think this kind of insane pricing on rare or desirable stuff in general is nothing short of a criminal exploit of market mechanisms and psychology. While it isn't illegal, it certainly is despicable. It's a sad display of greed and its impact on human behaviour. And there is nothing funny about it, even if it was meant as a joke, because it still triggers the same effect.

It's not criminal. If you own something and want to sell it, and someone is willing to pay a ridiculous price for it, then sell it to them for that price. Seems fair to me.
The problem is folk who are willing to buy stuff for more than its worth because "gotta catch 'em all". It's not the the sellers who are the problem here.

If folk didn't buy at inflated prices, this practice would not exist. So vote with your feet. Don't pay more than 2/3rds retail for used gear (or maybe 80% in markets where sales tax is low)! Make music with what you can buy for a sensible price, and be happy.
None of my musical heroes used Cwejman gear, and their music is the greatest IMO.
If something is not available then I can't buy it. If something is available, but only at an unrealistic price, then I can't buy it. There is no difference to me! why be angry about it?... oh yes I forgot, entitlement

[helix]

I don't believe in god. but i wouldn't do that.

[Uncle Meatball]

God rained fire on the cities because module prices were too high.

[skunk3]

I've noticed this as well, within hours of notice of his death. Personally, I don't feel that even the pre-scalper price for Cwejman gear is really even worth it IMHO but then again I've never owned any. I'm sure it's great and all but to command those prices? Pshhh. Totally ridiculous.

[coomby]

I find this discussion really interesting. I haven't quite made up my mind as to where I stand on the topic but I've certainly picked up on things as an observer.
I use to come on this forum as a student around 2008s at a time when modular was far more 'niche' than it is now. As a student I was super tight, and although I saved and bought my first Cwejman modules brand new from Analogue Haven, most of my modular was bought through trades on the forum. Consensus at the time was anything 2nd hand was priced at 75% retail value. It was widely adhered to and anyone who tried to step away from that was generally called out about it.
There was a 'modulars for modulers' vibe. This group of people had discovered something they were protecting and if you joined the group then there were rules for this small community.

I gave the forum a break for 7 years or so and since I've come back to a different landscape.
Overall the 'fair is fair' attitude is struggling to survive against a new discourse which has come to contradict it and defends 'free market', now with a community which must have expanded x10 fold.

why be angry about it?... oh yes I forgot, entitlement

I don't think the question is entitlement... Something seems to have changed. I think the moral or ethical standpoint of the people making the community has changed, because their goals are different.

I think the previous example with the luxury knife company was a very interesting example.

My profession is in the fine art trade. I've worked in private galleries in London over the last decade and a similar shift has happened. When I first started, the old school of collectors were in the decline stage. These were people in fine suits who collected Old Master paintings and for whom a high level of connoisseurship and cultural appreciation was required to enter, appreciate and buy into this field. This type of collector and the market they moved in hadn't changed much since the 1950s. The price of paintings had reasonable steady growth, with slowly evolving fashions and it was a closed environment built on knowledge, appreciation and an important degree of courtesy. Call it 'art for the connoisseur' and in many ways organised by its own rules - comparable to the modular community of 2008s.

A new breed had started to appear in the 2000s at the time of Banksy. After the 2008 crash, the art world had vintage years simultaneously from 2008-2012 (no coincidence). Money started pouring in from new backgrounds. A new type of collector arrived backing a new type of art. One that required no prior understanding and which was much quicker and immediate access. Suddenly, artists which were selling their works in the previous decade between 8-40k were were getting pumped at auction and hitting millions on a regular basis. Artists with no prior or very brief history on the market were fetching more than you would pay for a Monet. New money had come in and it wasn't interested in art history - it was interested the latest thing, it was interested in speculation, big bucks and showing others you had it. Needless to say the art world experienced a massive shift.

This change appears to be lasting. Art fairs focus far more on modern and contemporary and the crowd has changed to reflect it. Its interests have changed, its behaviour has changed - and the art world hasn't necessarily been made better for it.
Sure that's 'free market' - but I have to observe from my professional point of view, it is far less pleasant, less interesting and conversationally less enriching working with the new crowd if you have a genuine interest in art...

I don't take it at face value but it would certainly be a shame if a similar shifts were occurring here..

No it won’t, nobody needs Cwejman or any other brand to make music and there’s always Doepfer and Behringer for the penniless masses.

I don't buy that. Too easy to say when you've already got a Cwejman rig in my view..

[helix]

I've also seen this brand for similar for ages. And other things too. I noticed it a few months back and considered it just a joke and a statement about how they will never sell.

[3hands]

I really fail to see why anyone cares. I have a titanium spork I’d be willing to sell for 10,000 euro. If you don’t want to buy it that’s ok too.

I care because it continues to keep the overall prices high. I wish Eurorack would be cheaper someday, with increasing sales volume.

I do music that way because I like it, and would like to see more people doing it, not to show them how fortunate I am. Speculation will keep a lot of potential artists out of Eurorack, unfortunately...

No it won’t, nobody needs Cwejman or any other brand to make music and there’s always Doepfer and Behringer for the penniless masses.

Some of us that own Behringer aren’t penniless. Quite the opposite actually. We just happen to understand that something like a tb303 isn’t worth the money people are asking for it. Careful with the over generalizations.

[Nelson Baboon]

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Some are boycotting Behringer because they make gear affordable for most of us.
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that is not why people are boycotting Behringer.

[coomby]

Looks like Olec's had a change of heart..

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@coomby

There's definitely been a shift with art for modern. In music culture we're noticing specifically hip-hop/rap take over and a lot of the artist don't know much past ten years of an extremely modern art form that is arguably one of the easiest to research. Art has become a forum of value and the art itself is second to the value and potential future value.

Limited colored vinyl becomes more about the possession than the album itself. The music is cool but the fact that it's 1/400 and their previous album sold for 3x than retail means money for acquisition.

Limited pedal means I'll buy it and sell it for 3x the amount I bought it because it's 1/250 and scarcity means more value. Forget about the person that only has a budget of the retail price who would appreciate it more than me, it's free money.

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it's still priced to attenuate radiation, wrinkles and bank accounts

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[Uncle Meatball]

I really fail to see why anyone cares. I have a titanium spork I’d be willing to sell for 10,000 euro. If you don’t want to buy it that’s ok too.

I care because it continues to keep the overall prices high. I wish Eurorack would be cheaper someday, with increasing sales volume.

I do music that way because I like it, and would like to see more people doing it, not to show them how fortunate I am. Speculation will keep a lot of potential artists out of Eurorack, unfortunately...

No it won’t, nobody needs Cwejman or any other brand to make music and there’s always Doepfer and Behringer for the penniless masses.

Some of us that own Behringer aren’t penniless. Quite the opposite actually. We just happen to understand that something like a tb303 isn’t worth the money people are asking for it. Careful with the over generalizations.

Careful with the not getting sarcasm baby.

[Bignatius]

I don't believe in any Gods and I find that behavior gross, at this personal scale, in small communities in particular.

The day before news of his passing I was watching two particular used Cwejman modules on Reverb.

Within hours of the news both modules, from two different sellers, had dramatically raised prices.

Legal, to be sure, but gross just the same. But now I know not to do business with those sellers.

And so it goes.

[Jason Brock]

For the record the 8k dmf2 is definitely not meant as a joke as that seller does that all the time. There are a small handful of sellers finding stuff that’s out of stock or somewhat rare and selling it for exorbitant prices. They must be selling for those prices bc it’s the same few people doing it all the time.

No, people do not buy them at those prices. But what DOES happen is that the ridiculous $8,000 price makes the already-inflated $1,200 price seem like a "deal" in comparison, so they ARE moving the line.

[Zymos]

What’s god got to do with any of this? I’m an Atheist, but I wouldn’t jack up prices like this.

[adaris]

I thought maybe the guy with the ATT-4 was trolling in mockery of the other Cwejman sellers, but doesn't seem that way now. He can't really think someone is going to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a quad attenuator, can he? lol

[nios]

I think some sellers expect this scene to be full of the same types of people who pay tens of thousands for audio cables, or at least venerate Cwejman gear with similar such mystique, as some people kind of do honestly. And/or, they are hoping some bored millionaire producer wants to scoop them up for his collection etc.

I had debated getting some of these modules myself the last year or two, but honestly after a bunch of research never was impressed enough to go for them, and they were either generally never available or just not worth the gouged prices to me back then ... and most certainly won't be today. Even if the designs were licensed for production by another manufacturer and made in volume for cheaper, I still don't think I'd really go for most of them. Between Cwejman and Schippmann for ultra-top-line, I was actually much more interested in Schippmann with things like the Omega-Phi and so on, but it seems Euro has trended more and more towards kitchen-sink modules, digital stuff and ultra-compactness which don't really play into those high-quality analog makes.

[LunaticSound]

The att4 for 50k is cool with me. Find some shitfaced rich idiot who buys it and celebrate with all your friends for a week.

Good move.

[sir stony]

why be angry about it?... oh yes I forgot, entitlement

I don't think the question is entitlement... Something seems to have changed. I think the moral or ethical standpoint of the people making the community has changed, because their goals are different.

Quote mistake. I didn't write that, but colb.