Do any of these guys believe in god? (Cwejman after his passing)

[flipper16]

Well said minimalist and equally well said Kent!

[Kawouddd]

I use to come on this forum as a student around 2008s at a time when modular was far more 'niche' than it is now.
...
I gave the forum a break for 7 years or so and since I've come back to a different landscape.
Overall the 'fair is fair' attitude is struggling to survive against a new discourse which has come to contradict it and defends 'free market', now with a community which must have expanded x10 fold.

^ Typical forum evolution. Here's one take on how -and why- it happens.
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

Not only that, size and exclusivity of a community.

When people know each other and feel bonded there’s trust in a market and sanctions for stepping out of line or behaving exploitatively.

When the sense of community becomes more open - who the hell am I to anyone here, I’ve only been here a few months? - and trust becomes less key, informal controls are never going to be so effective.

[Stopinterview]

It is sad to see people getting upset over something as silly as a "boutique" item.
Prices are prices. Pay them if you want or not.
At least we are not forced into paying prices for modules.
At least we have a crazy interest in modular and are allowed to pursue that interest (at our own personal financial depletion).
I don't know this manufacturer and don't have any modules of his to be biased, but the lack of regard for a free economy is moderately disturbing.
<there, now I'M upset lol>

[Lux A Turner]

Folks, let’s turn the heat down a bit, eh? It’s devolved into false equivalences, name calling, and posturing. I’m all for letting people portray themselves as they wish to be seen but it serves less purpose when most of you are anonymous and noisy.

Does this thread even need to be in the Eurorack Modules forum? Would it not be better off in NSFW?

[pieter]

I don't know this manufacturer and don't have any modules of his to be biased, but the lack of regard for a free economy is moderately disturbing.
<there, now I'M upset lol>

We don't have a free market anyway (for example, you can't legally buy cocaine in most jurisdictions), and I seriously question whether we even want a free market. I would advocate a well-regulated market (revolutionairy, I know!), and then we can argue what kind of regulation we are happy with, collectively. Curbing excesses like $50k attenuators from a sought-after brand is not going to be easy, and almost certainly cannot be controlled perfectly. But we don't have to give up attempts completely.

But this gets dangerously close to a political discussion!

[Kent]

Folks, let’s turn the heat down a bit, eh? It’s devolved into false equivalences, name calling, and posturing. I’m all for letting people portray themselves as they wish to be seen but it serves less purpose when most of you are anonymous and noisy.

Does this thread even need to be in the Eurorack Modules forum? Would it not be better off in NSFW?

How it is categorized doesn’t strike me as important or instructive.

[Val]

Capitalists be like tHe MarKEt wILl RegULatE ITselF and then boohoo money expensive

This is why I only buy Xaoc Devices modules wink wink

[Kawouddd]

Capitalists be like tHe MarKEt wILl RegULatE ITselF and then boohoo money expensive

This is why I only buy Xaoc Devices modules wink wink

I only DIY modules crafted from pure steel, in memory of Stalin #stakhanovitemodular #potemkinsystem #ownmyownmeansofproduction

[oliodnb]

The idea that morality comes from gods is more damaging than price-gouging.

This.

[loydb]

While I'm not selling any of them, it's crazy that my roughly 400 HP of Cwejman is worth more than my car, substantially.

[Sleepfc]

While I'm not selling any of them, it's crazy that my roughly 400 HP of Cwejman is worth more than my car, substantially.

Same. Hah

Is this when Cwejman reaches Macbeth price status? I can’t even afford to look at a Macbeth listing. At least with all my Cwejman modules, none of them have cost more than 750 usd which is more than I’d be willing to pay for any module that isn’t an ER-301

[oldenjon]

While I'm not selling any of them, it's crazy that my roughly 400 HP of Cwejman is worth more than my car, substantially.

That’s only if you sell now and I haven’t seen any evidence that modules are actually selling at these inflated prices anyways.

[Bignatius]

If it brings down Macbeth prices I'm all for it.

[langley]

I do find people moaning about things being too expensive quite silly. It translates as "its not fair I don't have enough money to buy what I want". Some things are worth more than others - fact. It's is actually crucially important to understand the amount of work (as in, I went to work 12 hours a day for 2 years to produce this) that goes into things and to respect that. Buy music if you like it - pay the musician for their work! Same with electronics - and factor in the number of sales of modules. If you don't respect the years small designers put into their gear and the costs they incur to bring things to market, buy mass produced stuff. Just stop moaning. Buy or don't buy but don't criticise unless you produce very high quality, boutique modules very cheaply. But then you don't...do you!

[Stopinterview]

I don't know this manufacturer and don't have any modules of his to be biased, but the lack of regard for a free economy is moderately disturbing.
<there, now I'M upset lol>

We don't have a free market anyway (for example, you can't legally buy cocaine in most jurisdictions), and I seriously question whether we even want a free market. I would advocate a well-regulated market (revolutionairy, I know!), and then we can argue what kind of regulation we are happy with, collectively. Curbing excesses like $50k attenuators from a sought-after brand is not going to be easy, and almost certainly cannot be controlled perfectly. But we don't have to give up attempts completely.

But this gets dangerously close to a political discussion!

I see your point. Good call.

[coomby]

I use to come on this forum as a student around 2008s at a time when modular was far more 'niche' than it is now.
...
I gave the forum a break for 7 years or so and since I've come back to a different landscape.
Overall the 'fair is fair' attitude is struggling to survive against a new discourse which has come to contradict it and defends 'free market', now with a community which must have expanded x10 fold.

^ Typical forum evolution. Here's one take on how -and why- it happens.
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

@KSS
Great reference link! Thanks for that, good read with coffee this morning

Reminds me of Ian Svenonius' Supernatural Strategies for Making a Rock'n Roll Group

[BaloErets]

Sadly every subculture is going to have a couple of Martin Shkreli's

[psienide]

Price gouging in these circumstances is abhorrent, but i'm just waiting for the first anti-cap Cwejman holder to set the market example by offering up their modules at 75%. Private property is central to capitalism, so put your efforts where your mouth is, and please, sell me a cheap Cwejman.

[3pand]

Honestly if you hangout around the buy/sell forum here long enough, you will find people selling Cwejman for retail price or less every once in a while. I’ve seen it more than once.

[psienide]

But we can all probably agree that those days are over for a while at least.

The market price will likely be high for a while, some because of people trying to make extreme profit despite supply or demand, but others will price based on the expectation that supply will be lower and demand higher. Since reverb is a capitalist market, you can protest exhorbitant prices by not buying. If enough people participate in the protest and the price goes down, capitalism worked and self-regulated.

[skinpop]

When I read the post on Matrixsynth about Wowa's passing -RIP- it appeared to suggest that a second party was involved and that the brand would not die. But that right now it was time to deal with the losss first. Gringo starr's post a few under yours says essentially the same thing, and may be a result of seeing the same post on Matrixsynth. Or not, it might have been shared somewhere else too. I only know I scrolled awaty from that post with two solid thoughts. Sadness that Wowa was gone, and hope that Maho -or someone- was planning to continue the brand and products.

It did not read as if the brand was going away permanently, but definitely would be gone temporarily.

Yeah same here. Like the late Wowa I'm also a swede living in Japan so even though I'm new to modular I felt some kind of connection and his passing away hit me harder than I would have expected.

[Ted]

lol at "god"

[coomby]

Man, this Olec guy really is pitching for "synth world's most despised man"

[pieter]

Olec got vaccinated and wants to go on a cruise.

[REcDeso12oi]

Olecs 100% saving for a tanning bed. He told me.