Behringer VCS3

[beyourdog]

Wish they would offer it in a different shape, eurorack combatible, like the neutron, i don't have the space for that big wooden case.

I kind of disagree. I owned an original one in the last century and the interface is really part if the experience, not just the pin matrix. And the experience involves the interface. Of course this isn't a 1/1 copy, but still, it's closer than a bunch of eurorack modules. Nothing wrong with the Neutron, by the way. It's an amazing synth actually.

Actually that case is not that big. When compared to the original VCS3 they look like this:

VCS3x2-2.png

And since they didn't clone the circuitry (they used all new SMD parts), what they ARE selling, is the shape and the matrix experience. If you want compatibility with Eurorack, buy the Analogue Systems modules. With this unit, you are getting the ergonomic experience (although smaller)

I say bullshit. I had both and the AS modules don’t even come close in terms of functionalities and sound...This clone will certainly bring you the ergonomics and very probably true sound too. It’s like the 2600, too much time dicking around on hypothetical stuff instead of playing...

[3hands]

Wish they would offer it in a different shape, eurorack combatible, like the neutron, i don't have the space for that big wooden case.

I kind of disagree. I owned an original one in the last century and the interface is really part if the experience, not just the pin matrix. And the experience involves the interface. Of course this isn't a 1/1 copy, but still, it's closer than a bunch of eurorack modules. Nothing wrong with the Neutron, by the way. It's an amazing synth actually.

Actually that case is not that big. When compared to the original VCS3 they look like this:

VCS3x2-2.png

And since they didn't clone the circuitry (they used all new SMD parts), what they ARE selling, is the shape and the matrix experience. If you want compatibility with Eurorack, buy the Analogue Systems modules. With this unit, you are getting the ergonomic experience (although smaller)

too much time dicking around on hypothetical stuff instead of playing...

You’ve just described this forum as an entirety.

[ersatzplanet]

Wish they would offer it in a different shape, eurorack combatible, like the neutron, i don't have the space for that big wooden case.

I kind of disagree. I owned an original one in the last century and the interface is really part if the experience, not just the pin matrix. And the experience involves the interface. Of course this isn't a 1/1 copy, but still, it's closer than a bunch of eurorack modules. Nothing wrong with the Neutron, by the way. It's an amazing synth actually.

Actually that case is not that big. When compared to the original VCS3 they look like this:

VCS3x2-2.png

And since they didn't clone the circuitry (they used all new SMD parts), what they ARE selling, is the shape and the matrix experience. If you want compatibility with Eurorack, buy the Analogue Systems modules. With this unit, you are getting the ergonomic experience (although smaller)

I say bullshit. I had both and the AS modules don’t even come close in terms of functionalities and sound...This clone will certainly bring you the ergonomics and very probably true sound too. It’s like the 2600, too much time dicking around on hypothetical stuff instead of playing...

Apparently you didn't see the "compatibility with Eurorack" in my statement. The post I was replying to said "Wish they would offer it in a different shape, eurorack combatible (SIC)", I was addressing that. The AS modules are licensed by EMS so I would imagine are closer to the original circuits too. They have the same functions and more but of course limited by the Eurorack format of patching - "compatibility with Eurorack" like I said. The AS modules respond to Eurorack CV and Gate levels -"compatibility with Eurorack" again. Of course they don't sound exactly the same. I had three Synthi's at one time (two AKS and a VCS3) and they didn't even sound like each other. I think pursuing the "same exact sound" of ANY vintage piece if gear is a lost cause. You may match functions (same knobs doing similar things), ergonomics (panel layouts matching - as in the B clone), and have similar circuits, but the parts available now, the manufacturing processes used now, all contribute to the high possibility of the new units not matching the original sound at all. Also all of these original units were made with 5% resistors and Caps with tolerances in the 20% range, and LOTS of them. This add up to production runs of older gear sounding different form other production runs of the same. I had lots of Oberheim gear once, 4-voice, 2-voice and spare SEMs. You could tell the difference in them too. It helped make a fatter sound because each SEM was slightly different (the filter response to CVs etc.).

Graham Hinton once made a custom Eurorack VCO bank using the actual PCBs from a Synthi - http://www.hinton-instruments.co.uk/new ... r-bank.htm - but it was a custom unit and he doesn't mention if there were scaling or level adjustments made, only "fully modified for stability and sync" and all of his other standard Synthi mods.

[seditionary]

Are there any rumors out there about when they will be released?

[Umcorps]

Graham Hinton once made a custom Eurorack VCO bank using the actual PCBs from a Synthi - http://www.hinton-instruments.co.uk/new ... r-bank.htm - but it was a custom unit and he doesn't mention if there were scaling or level adjustments made, only "fully modified for stability and sync" and all of his other standard Synthi mods.

I’m pretty sure that was done for Mr Mono-poly here ( https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/memb ... file&u=330)

Might want to ask him directly how it held up in practice?

[jfloftin]

Graham Hinton once made a custom Eurorack VCO bank using the actual PCBs from a Synthi - http://www.hinton-instruments.co.uk/new ... r-bank.htm - but it was a custom unit and he doesn't mention if there were scaling or level adjustments made, only "fully modified for stability and sync" and all of his other standard Synthi mods.

I’m pretty sure that was done for Mr Mono-poly here ( https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/memb ... file&u=330)

Might want to ask him directly how it held up in practice?

If I'm not mistaken, this EMS VCO bank was up for sale a few years back. I wonder who has it now... I thought about buying it myself but didn't have the funds.

[pricklyrobot]

Any news, or unsubstantiated rumors, on this one since they teased the prototype a year ago…?

[olix]

Are there any rumors out there about when they will be released?

Two or three years after the end of the pandemic ...

[Spectra]

I'm not reading 14 pages. Heck, I won't even read one page.

But I would like to know if it's okay to buy this according to the self appointed gatekeepers of audio gear...

[jac.k]

it's ok to do whatever you want

if it annoys those who like to frown then so be it, life is short

[Chopper]

Are there any rumors out there about when they will be released?

Two or three years after the end of the pandemic ...

sources?

[Spectra]

I would prefer to receive the blessing of at least 66% of the modular synth community in writing.

[SkyWriter]

I'm not reading 14 pages. Heck, I won't even read one page.

But I would like to know if it's okay to buy this according to the self appointed gatekeepers of audio gear...

It's on my list :0) I just need to find better looking multi-turn verniers for it.

Something like this:

[Spectra]

You're kind of a renegade tho. You're a New Englander that doesn't eat lobster.

[Artomas]

You what?!! Seriously?

[SkyWriter]

You're kind of a renegade tho. You're a New Englander that doesn't eat lobster.

Someone has to NOT eat lobster :0)

Would you eat here?



Does it come with a clown? :0)

[Spectra]

No. I previously disclosed being anti-shellfish. They are overpriced cockroaches of the sea.

[Spectra]

Unlike the forthcoming VCS3 clone. Which is likely to be too affordable to pass up.

[SkyWriter]

Unlike the forthcoming VCS3 clone. Which is likely to be too affordable to pass up.

lol! Indeed! I need a loopy noise box :0)

[ersatzplanet]

My major problem with the BVCS3 is that it is not full size.

VCS3x2-2.png

[SkyWriter]

My major problem with the BVCS3 is that it is not full size.

Most of their 'vintage' stuff isn't full size. Cost reductions prevail over nearly every other product parameter.

Personally, I prefer smaller instruments that also reduce exposed wiring, power outlets, and floor space. Going up isn't a problem in my house. :0)

It looks like a cubic foot in volume. Perfect. It can go right next to my Yorick LFE box :0)

[pricklyrobot]

As a former New Englander, I miss clams (in all their various forms) way more than lobster.

[SkyWriter]

As a former New Englander, I miss clams (in all their various forms) way more than lobster.

I'm a fresh fish fan; clams and crustaceans can kick it to the curb. lol.

[jonne74]

No. I previously disclosed being anti-shellfish. They are overpriced cockroaches of the sea.

That's what the servants back in the day thought too. Some had contracts with their employer saying they didn't have to eat lobster more than twice a week. Lobster was so abundant in Britain, it was served as prison food or ground up as fertilizer. I read this in Bill Bryson's Short History of Nearly Everything.

[Spectra]

I'll bet Uli eats lobster. Double fisted and double dipped in butter while he watches the synth world burn.