Grayscale Permutation: expanded Turing Machine + Voltages: back in stock

[c0nsumer]

Personally, I'm really keen on the smaller version of this module. I currently have a TM + Pulses + Voltages, but really only use the main TM + Pulses. This'd let me do everything I want in only 2hp more than the base TM.

Any idea on pricing?

[jwm]

I will miss combined gates like some of the triggers on Pulses give you

Yes, I realize that some will miss the OR functions but providing more of the individual bit outputs gives you more options than the fixed choice of 1/2/4/7 on the original.

ohhh hm i didn't even think about this...one of my fav thing to do with the pulses mk2 is to ping the smr and sometimes have a couple bands strike at once...

Should be plenty easy to do this with an external logic module for the times when you want it. I personally use an A-166 specifically for this kind of thing. Way more flexible than what's built into Pulses, too.

true, true - looking into this right now actually..though case space is a bit of a problem with the 18hp one. packed to the gills over here!

[anosou]

Definitely in favor of the 12HP. I've grown very space concious and I also know tons of people in the same situation that continously sell off bigger modules to be able to add two smaller ones (even if they like them a bit less).

Also, to be fair, I think 16 gates might be ever so slightly overkill. But that's probably just me

[c0nsumer]

Also, to be fair, I think 16 gates might be ever so slightly overkill. But that's probably just me

I personally don't understand having a 16-step mode but only 8 LEDs and outs, but maybe I'm missing something. I never understood pulses having only 1-7 outputs as well... I felt like something was missing with there not being 1-8.

Thus, the 12hp version seems just about right to me.

[fnordboy]

Definitely the 18hp version. That black panel version looks great.

[windspirit]

Also, to be fair, I think 16 gates might be ever so slightly overkill. But that's probably just me

I personally don't understand having a 16-step mode but only 8 LEDs and outs, but maybe I'm missing something. I never understood pulses having only 1-7 outputs as well... I felt like something was missing with there not being 1-8.

Thus, the 12hp version seems just about right to me.

All of the steps are just shifted version of eachother.

[sempervirent]

Any idea on pricing?

Not just yet, will know within the next week or two.

I never understood pulses having only 1-7 outputs as well... I felt like something was missing with there not being 1-8.

I agree, this and other small quirks of the TM are what got me thinking about doing an updated version.

All of the steps are just shifted version of eachother.

Right, each output corresponds to one of the bits in the shift register.

And to elaborate on that for anosou and c0nsumer (just in case it was unclear), the pattern is the same on all outputs but it's shifted to the right with each clock pulse. If you want the gate pattern to start on a specific step, you need an output for each of the 16 bits.

If you just want random gate patterns then it's all good. 8 outputs will give you 8 shifted versions of the pattern as it's "read" by the first 8 bits. But having 16 outputs lets you be a bit more intentional with the clear/write switches in terms of programming a specific gate sequence into the module.

Having the clear/write CV inputs also allows you record a gate pattern from another sequencer (like the Algorhythm) and "store" it in the shift register's memory (assuming that the Shift knob is mostly clockwise and the sequence is locked after the pattern is recorded). Then you get 16 time-shifted copies of that pattern, like singing in rounds for lack of a better analogy. With the TM you can only program a pattern using the toggle switch.

[anosou]

Any idea on pricing?

Not just yet, will know within the next week or two.

I never understood pulses having only 1-7 outputs as well... I felt like something was missing with there not being 1-8.

I agree, this and other small quirks of the TM are what got me thinking about doing an updated version.

All of the steps are just shifted version of eachother.

Right, each output corresponds to one of the bits in the shift register.

And to elaborate on that for anosou and c0nsumer (just in case it was unclear), the pattern is the same on all outputs but it's shifted to the right with each clock pulse. If you want the gate pattern to start on a specific step, you need an output for each of the 16 bits.

If you just want random gate patterns then it's all good. 8 outputs will give you 8 shifted versions of the pattern as it's "read" by the first 8 bits. But having 16 outputs lets you be a bit more intentional with the clear/write switches in terms of programming a specific gate sequence into the module.

Having the clear/write CV inputs also allows you record a gate pattern from another sequencer (like the Algorhythm) and "store" it in the shift register's memory (assuming that the Shift knob is mostly clockwise and the sequence is locked after the pattern is recorded). Then you get 16 time-shifted copies of that pattern, like singing in rounds for lack of a better analogy. With the TM you can only program a pattern using the toggle switch.

Thanks for the explanation! I was aware of that but I still think 8 outputs is more than enough for most systems. Chances are you have more gates than you know what to do with and the cases where you desperately need gate 13 are few and far between, not enough to warrant 4HP. But that's just my opinion

[fosferus]

Any idea on pricing?

Not just yet, will know within the next week or two.

I never understood pulses having only 1-7 outputs as well... I felt like something was missing with there not being 1-8.

I agree, this and other small quirks of the TM are what got me thinking about doing an updated version.

All of the steps are just shifted version of eachother.

Right, each output corresponds to one of the bits in the shift register.

And to elaborate on that for anosou and c0nsumer (just in case it was unclear), the pattern is the same on all outputs but it's shifted to the right with each clock pulse. If you want the gate pattern to start on a specific step, you need an output for each of the 16 bits.

If you just want random gate patterns then it's all good. 8 outputs will give you 8 shifted versions of the pattern as it's "read" by the first 8 bits. But having 16 outputs lets you be a bit more intentional with the clear/write switches in terms of programming a specific gate sequence into the module.

Having the clear/write CV inputs also allows you record a gate pattern from another sequencer (like the Algorhythm) and "store" it in the shift register's memory (assuming that the Shift knob is mostly clockwise and the sequence is locked after the pattern is recorded). Then you get 16 time-shifted copies of that pattern, like singing in rounds for lack of a better analogy. With the TM you can only program a pattern using the toggle switch.

Thanks for the explanation! I was aware of that but I still think 8 outputs is more than enough for most systems. Chances are you have more gates than you know what to do with and the cases where you desperately need gate 13 are few and far between, not enough to warrant 4HP. But that's just my opinion

agree with this. gates aren't difficult to come by, space is. 12hp would be my purchase.

[tbecker]

OK, Q&A time:

From the videos it seems you can clock this pretty fast, how high have you gone?

Not sure what the maximum frequency would be but it's all analog just like the TM. In those faster clips from the video it's getting clocked by the Dixie II in oscillator mode (at which point it becomes a noisy oscillator itself).

Thanks again for all the feedback. Based on comments here and elsewhere, I think doing both versions is the way to go.

That sounds awesome in terms of speed! Of course a natural use of such high rates would be to feed this audio into filters and slew the response which I love to do on my SSF URA!

[c0nsumer]

Depending on the parts chosen I believe it should be very possible to have something that'll function well into audio ranges.

[robotsounds]

I would be interested in the 18hp version.

Sorry if I missed it but when and where will these be available?

[Acquadar]

It would be nice write a sequence on a sequencer and, put it into the Permutation cv in, listen a kaleydoscope of notes on the same tonality, like an "arpitecht meet Turing" beast on steroids...

[xonetacular]

18hp please

[Leescan]

yes this looks cool, interested in something like this

[sempervirent]

Sorry if I missed it but when and where will these be available?

When: probably sometime in September, if beta testing goes well. 18hp first, followed by the 12hp version and expander.

Where: direct from the Grayscale site or from the modular shops that we work with.

Here's a cool photo from beta tester Quasi (@paulnormandlebel on Instagram). So far, so good. Also I should mention that the LED brightness has been toned down quite a bit since the demo clips in the first post of the thread, those are mostly from earlier prototypes.

[cocco88]

just a quick question:
so the gates outputs are all the same but shifted of one "step" right?
not like Pulses is the TM?
and what the Noise output does?

[sempervirent]

The gate outputs reflect whether or not a bit is "on" for that particular step. So if the sequence is locked, yes, it's effectively the same pattern being shifted to the right with each clock pulse. If the sequence is unlocked you get totally random gates or slowly changing patterns depending on the position of the Shift knob.

So it's basically the same as the Pulses expander, but with outputs for 8 bits (12hp version) or 16 bits (18hp version) instead of four.

Also the pulse width is gated by the pulse width of the clock source. So if you want short triggers on the outputs, change the clock source to a trigger.

The Noise output is just like the Turing Machine, it's the white noise of the internal transistor.

[ol'nasty]

I stumbled across these, looking for Turing Machines on Modular Grid. I gotta say these look great! Lots of great features for the hp. Can't wait for them to be released!

[sempervirent]

I stumbled across these, looking for Turing Machines on Modular Grid. I gotta say these look great! Lots of great features for the hp. Can't wait for them to be released!

Hey, thanks. We're one step closer, the 18hp prototype has left the Mystic Circuits synth cave and is headed to Seattle for one more round of beta testing before calling it "done"

Also the Mystic Circuits Switches expander for the Turing Machine was tested for compatibility with Permutation and worked without any issues.

Quick demo by windspirit here:


Will post more details about price and availability soon but it looks like we're still on track for shipping the 18hp version in September, with the 12hp version and expander coming in October.

[xenosapien]

awesome, I was just yesterday looking at your Algorithm module and thought to myself "if only I could justify having that, it looks beautiful"... and here you go making a module I actually NEED (= a second, slightly different/expanded TM) that has that same sweet style

[fosferus]

bumpin this. any updates on the module? quite interested in it.

[sempervirent]

Hey, thanks for asking. We're tweaking an issue that was found during beta testing, probably looking at an October release now. Otherwise looking good. Starting to order panels, etc.

Also, thanks for the kind words @xenosapien!

[fosferus]

wow, that's great news! i wasn't expecting anything else till year's end or later. nice going. looking forward to more!

[sempervirent]

Yeah, the 18hp version has been in development for a while. I try not to pre-announce stuff too far in advance and just wanted to get feedback on the two different sizes.

On that note, are you interested in the 18hp or 12hp version?