Catalyst Audio Buchla 100 clones for Eurorack

[southphillysynths]

Any news?

[APETECHNOLOGY]

Any news?

i second this bump! still very interested.

[CatalystAudio]

Glad to see there is still interest in these.
Sorry for the lack of updates. Ran into a couple of major delay's (USPS lost a whole set of prototype PCB's)
But I think we are starting to see the end of the tunnel. Going to be submitting all the data to the manufacturers over the next week, so we should start to be able to get some details on pricepoint.
A couple fully functional systems are out with beta testers right now (people with extensive 100 series experience), so we're hoping to get some video back soon.

[Numanoid92]

Yeah, i cannot wait the hear them Glad those modules will see the light, i'm sure i'm going to buy them

[Positive Modular Attitude]

Really excited about these modules!

[Acquadar]

C'mon...

[nearly ghost]

Great news!

[Zube]

I'm still interested!

[Positive Modular Attitude]

These are the first modules in a long while that makes me feel like I need another case....

[nordheim]

me too! cant wait to hear more!

[southphillysynths]

any news from the beta testers?

[Positive Modular Attitude]

any news from the beta testers?

+1

[southphillysynths]

Positive Modular Attitude


Also this is one of the greatest handles I've ever seen...

[dubstephead]

Is that circuits are not covered by copyright but their functionality can be covered by patent. In the US at least - patents expire after 20 years. So assuming that these modules were ever patented, they would be about 30 years beyond that point.

Schematics are, without a doubt, subject to copyright in the US. Copyright term lasts for the life of the author plus 70 years. If Don had not sold the 100 series to CBS, his copyright would still be good until 2086. Because Don sold to CBS and CBS sold their rights, someone out there does hold the rights to the 100 series schematics, and those rights will continue until 2086. Who that is remains a mystery.

This is complete nonsense. Schematics are not subject to copyright, although pcb layout can be. Since this is a totally different form factor, I am guessing that won't be a problem.

I don't know where you get your info, but the visual representation of a circuit (schematic) is protected under US copyright. Just go to copyright.gov and search for copyright registrations for schematics. The copyright exists the moment the visual representation is created (this is called 'fixed in a tangible medium' in copyright law parlance). You don't need a registration to hold copyright, though you cannot sue in Federal court for infringement without a registration. That's why people register their copyrights.

For instance, copyright registration number VAu000012903 is for a schematics and parts list for alarm model 2512-B.

Every company that has ever posted on here has made it clear that you cannot copyright a schematic. Again, you seem to be confusing PCB layouts with schematics.

Looks like the line between US copyright, and Patent are getting blurred somewhere (not sure where and I'm not gonna read through this all).

Copyrights are life of the creator + 70 years and are created by creating something in a "fixed in a tangible medium' (as mentioned).


Patents are usually 20 years, this means all documentation of the patent will be publicly available immediately but all related material will be protected for the patents duration. Alternately, you can register it as a "trade secret". These can last forever as long as you keep them a secret, or can be lost in a day if someone leaks the recipe (this is how Coca Colla still has patent on the "coke" recipe)

Schematic's can be Copy-written (just check any schematic site and you will see the disclaimer), but only when they not going to be used commercially(<-pretty sure) and are actually unique.
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These schematic's were explaining the workings of a product, therefore they lost their copyright and became part of the patent when it was approved.

Since a schematic is probably part of a product design, that would be part of the products patent and since the schematic is available, its obviously not a "trade secret".
Therefore I am almost certain you can use all the original schematics and designs (or whatever) now legally. Since it was part of a patent, it has no copyright. After the patent runs out, everything associated with it is public domain.

[CatalystAudio]

Thanks for the patience everyone.
Heres a little demo featuring the first 5 modules.
Courtesy of the forums own Djangosfire.

[video][/video]

[Positive Modular Attitude]

Thanks for the patience everyone.
Heres a little demo featuring the first 5 modules.
Courtesy of the forums own Djangosfire.

[video][/video]

[nordheim]

these sound great!

[Oldstench]

These sound awesome but, to be fair, Djangosfire could make a toaster sound awesome.

[Zube]

Glad to hear these... Sounds great!

[CatalystAudio]

These sound awesome but, to be fair, Djangosfire could make a toaster sound awesome.

I'm not supposed to talk about it - but we may just be working on a CV able toaster.

Heres another quick Djangosfire exploration.

[video][/video]

[southphillysynths]

These sound awesome but, to be fair, Djangosfire could make a toaster sound awesome.

I'm not supposed to talk about it - but we may just be working on a CV able toaster.

Does it have cv over temperature AND total toast time????

Does it have gate out at end of toasting??????

[coolshirtdotjpg]

Is that circuits are not covered by copyright but their functionality can be covered by patent. In the US at least - patents expire after 20 years. So assuming that these modules were ever patented, they would be about 30 years beyond that point.

Schematics are, without a doubt, subject to copyright in the US. Copyright term lasts for the life of the author plus 70 years. If Don had not sold the 100 series to CBS, his copyright would still be good until 2086. Because Don sold to CBS and CBS sold their rights, someone out there does hold the rights to the 100 series schematics, and those rights will continue until 2086. Who that is remains a mystery.

This is complete nonsense. Schematics are not subject to copyright, although pcb layout can be. Since this is a totally different form factor, I am guessing that won't be a problem.

I don't know where you get your info, but the visual representation of a circuit (schematic) is protected under US copyright. Just go to copyright.gov and search for copyright registrations for schematics. The copyright exists the moment the visual representation is created (this is called 'fixed in a tangible medium' in copyright law parlance). You don't need a registration to hold copyright, though you cannot sue in Federal court for infringement without a registration. That's why people register their copyrights.

For instance, copyright registration number VAu000012903 is for a schematics and parts list for alarm model 2512-B.

Every company that has ever posted on here has made it clear that you cannot copyright a schematic. Again, you seem to be confusing PCB layouts with schematics.

Looks like the line between US copyright, and Patent are getting blurred somewhere (not sure where and I'm not gonna read through this all).

Copyrights are life of the creator + 70 years and are created by creating something in a "fixed in a tangible medium' (as mentioned).


Patents are usually 20 years, this means all documentation of the patent will be publicly available immediately but all related material will be protected for the patents duration. Alternately, you can register it as a "trade secret". These can last forever as long as you keep them a secret, or can be lost in a day if someone leaks the recipe (this is how Coca Colla still has patent on the "coke" recipe)

Schematic's can be Copy-written (just check any schematic site and you will see the disclaimer), but only when they not going to be used commercially(<-pretty sure) and are actually unique.
.
These schematic's were explaining the workings of a product, therefore they lost their copyright and became part of the patent when it was approved.

Since a schematic is probably part of a product design, that would be part of the products patent and since the schematic is available, its obviously not a "trade secret".
Therefore I am almost certain you can use all the original schematics and designs (or whatever) now legally. Since it was part of a patent, it has no copyright. After the patent runs out, everything associated with it is public domain.

[edit. don't actually care, read the rest of the thread and you'll see this being debated further]

People much smarter than myself explain the situation here: viewtopic.php?t=13687&highlight=copyright

[mousegarden]

Thanks for the patience everyone.
Heres a little demo featuring the first 5 modules.
Courtesy of the forums own Djangosfire.

[video][/video]

These really do sound amazing (understatement) "that sound" is definitely there. This is extremely exciting, can't waite.
Any ideas on prices? roughly?

[Positive Modular Attitude]

Will the final panels be white as in the videos or aluminum/metal? Keeping my fingers crossed for aluminum/metal since it's better for my OCD...

[mousegarden]

Will the final panels be white as in the videos or aluminum/metal? Keeping my fingers crossed for aluminum/metal since it's better for my OCD...

White would be good, makes a change, I think it would be good to have them in a seperate skiff.