What is your end goal?

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TXBDan wrote:Hello all,

I'm new to the forum, but have been lurking for months. This post is as much for myself as it is for anyone else, so please bear with me. I'm using this to collect my thoughts and bounce them off you guys.

As background, I'm 35, an engineer and have lots of hobbies and interests. I've been into music off and on since being a kid playing guitar in garage bands including the obligatory Teen Spirit in the 8th grade talent show. In college, I played guitar in a band, got into recording and started a little apartment studio. I got into building tube guitar amps and sold a few as a little business. I did sound for the university theater and a couple venues as well.

If I'm perfectly honest with myself, I always enjoyed the technical side of music more than the creative side. I'd rather build a gadget or record and produce a band than play a live gig. Well, actually, playing a gig is fun, but trying to come up with songs and music is work to me. I've had moments of inspiration where I'd crank something out, but honestly that's not what compels me.

So I'm starting to realize that what I enjoy is really the learning and exploration of things. Its the journey. As soon as I figure it out, I'm sort of done with it. However, in some ways, having something too big with too many options paralyzes me. When recording and producing, I could kill an entire day digging through reverb plugins trying to decide on the right one. I've made more music on my phone than I ever have using Logic or Ableton. I don't think I do well with that degree of flexibility.

Getting back to modular synths. I've been tinkered with the idea of building synth modules (interesting I typed build instead of play) for about ten years, but for the past few months I've been obsessed with it. I only recently learned about euro modular and the blowing up of DIY modules, etc. I'm also really excited about the idea of modular in general, endless creating patching of various functions. It's all very technical and logical yet creative.

Getting to the end goal. Before I shell out bucks (I have only a Mother 32 now), I'm trying to understand what my goal is, what I want from this, what I will do with this. I think my goal would not be to compose or perform or to pressure myself into having to create "songs". I think my goal would be to learn and build and tinker and explore. I think I would limit myself to hardware only and not even (re)open the pandoras box of computers and software. That sounds fun, right?

What are your end goals? Anyone "exploring" and not explicitly creating content?
Firstly you must find an interest that has no end goal, the propulsion of this endless interest is what will drive you, if you look at what your saying, you seem like you want to start building and designing your own 'Brand' of modules to sell onto people..another boutique module maker...?? honestly there is never enough builders and makers, don't ever let that sway you, what the main challenge is though is to come up with something someone else hasn't already done ten times before you.. :hmm:

2 modules I can think of that would fit the bill of not being done properly before is one..,. a 16 bit sampler with 4 separate outs and knobs for editing start and end points of sampled audio...cv/gate/triggering..pitch and envelope control etc

another is a module that has mixer chan and EQ built in...people could buy them one at a time and interlock them together to build up rows of mixer chans with EQ..

get going laddy what are you waiting for.. :cloud:
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For me modular synthesis is :

1. The enjoyment of finding new sounds and the physical pleasure that brings. (Analog)

2. Jamming and doing live performances and the pleasure that brings. (Analog)

3. Creating a product that can be mass produced and shared. (Digital)
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I think I have a similar personality. I have spent a lot of time doing DIY and not much time making music. Sometimes I do feel a bit of an existential hobby crisis as sometimes I wonder what my end goal is.
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jordanb wrote:Thanks for your contribution to the culture! Hope your health turns around!
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No end goal really in terms of my modular synth. I buy modules that seem interesting to me. Being as I am learning the ropes still, sometimes it doesn't always work out the way I intended but takes me in a different direction entirely. I am not stuck on any particular sound like say, buying a complete synth. I can change it up whenever bank account says so.
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My end goal is for my end goal to be making music.... so far it's been learning, building modules, and creating the "perfect" rack. That said, as long as the journey is enjoyable, I don't care *that* much!
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Phase 1: Collect Modules.

Phase 2: ???

Phase 3: Profit.
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I've had end goals for a long time as a professional instrumentalist, wanting to prove myseof as a great musician (I've always enjoyed playing more than "performing" in formal settings), and also when i was working primarily with software, had dreams of being an electronic artist releasing stuff.

Ever since I entered the modular world (eurorack at the moment but not at all ruling out other formats), I've really just enjoyed being in the moment of patching, turning knobs, experimenting, becoming disappointed in my patch, pulling everything out, re-patching, daydreaming about how else i could patch this to that, loading new samples into my sampler modules, with no end goals whatsoever. I think i have a certain musical aesthetic I'm trying to realize, but it's not something I'm thinking of making any profit from. Sometimes i feel like maybe I should record some of it and turn it into a sample pack or whatever, but nah. I guess the end goal, at least for now, is to experience the sounds I'm making in the moment, and experiencing the possibilities of the modular interface. I've also had the good fortune to be invited to play some shows with my modular here and there and challenge myself to develop a "set", which is still all fun.

Good luck. :)
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I'll start out with I've never really been "goal oriented".
That being said patching and making sound with a modular synth is very much meditation for me. I've never made a conscious choice to pursue one genre or style in my sound creation. I certainly lean more on the chill side especially when :rastanana: and patching. I do record and perform with the modular but I've yet to put out a concise collection of "songs" with it. I use an Octatrack to record and arrange sounds I create when I'm being more productive but all in all I really just enjoy losing myself in the practice of patching and forgetting the bs of daily life. :banana:
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A way of making interesting noises while being a) a stupid guitarist and b) unable to play keyboards.
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There's an end goal?

I would say that my end goal is to joyfully meander through an infinitely vast and sometimes beautiful parameter space, picking up precious jewels made of sound :)
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Me too. 38, live in the boring suburbs, work in computer software. I played piano for a while as a kid, but never really appreciated it then. Educational background is mostly computer science, little bit of electrical engineering, played with electronics stuff since I was a kid.

Realistically, I want to be good enough with synths to perform live as an amateur -- but a lot of this is because even though I love so much of the work of people who do music professionally, I think that in music (and other arts) we need to tear down the distinction that it's an activity for a subset of society and not a normal thing you just do in life.

I think with music (and related stuff like building musical instruments) there's so many things that you can spend years learning that there's not necessarily any one right way to go with it. Certainly there's a narrower set of things that are something that makes a good performance or something people might pay for.

But right now I just play with synths (modular and not) in my limited spare time and try to avoid getting stuck in any one place. I'm very much interested in things that are directly playable and software/menu-diving is kind of a turnoff due to a day job working with computers. I make a small exception for some self-contained grooveboxes, sometimes.
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It seems like people in the synth community really like this movie :love:
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"End goals" are usually ill advised. How about some attainable subsidiary or intermediate goals?

I have one overarching intermediate goal. I'm taking a sabbatical leave during 2017, and I am going to build a fuck-ton of synthesizers.
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My end goal is to have enough sound design tools to realize the kinds of sounds that I hear in my imagination.
However I am easily led into collectorist fetishization over things so I have to remind myself that the goal is to make music that people have not heard before.

My long term goal is to realize some forms of physical synthesis under CV control. Think of things like resonating chambers of air, that is all that a wind instrument or most brass instruments are.
I'm interested in ways to put these under control of CV and maybe process audio through them, but I have a lot more crazy ideas than just air.

Modular synth building blocks are just one part of the puzzle. This is also why I am collecting a lot of utility modules like VCAs, inverters, offsets and the like. Oscs are nice, but they are stand ins for what I want to use as oscs down the road.
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I just wanna be a Multimedia Electronic Shaman. :zen:
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Dr. Sketch-n-Etch wrote:"End goals" are usually ill advised. How about some attainable subsidiary or intermediate goals?

I have one overarching intermediate goal. I'm taking a sabbatical leave during 2017, and I am going to build a fuck-ton of synthesizers.
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Funkydroid wrote:Create new sounds
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Make sounds

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gonkulator wrote:
Funkydroid wrote:Create new sounds
arrange in daw
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Make sounds

Record direct to two track

Fill up drive

Buy new drive

Fill up room with drives

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Be excavated by archeologists 3000 years from now.
They subsequently make all kind of assumptions about contemporary 21st century culture based on said hard drives.
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Semi-meditative interaction with an instrument to create sounds that linger for a moment, and record them if they do, or might, be something that I think should be shared. Some of them I make only for myself and do not share, to kind of remind myself that it's all temporary anyways.

A goal along the way is to hopefully inspire others, as many here and elsewhere have inspired me.

Great time to be into SDIY/kit building, so take advantage of that!

Cheers!
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My end goal is to simply create sounds I like - pretty selfish really.

I stumbled into modular, but once I started plugging things together it just clicked - its an electronic experiment kit.
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Dr. Sketch-n-Etch wrote:"End goals" are usually ill advised. How about some attainable subsidiary or intermediate goals?

I have one overarching intermediate goal. I'm taking a sabbatical leave during 2017, and I am going to build a fuck-ton of synthesizers.
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calaveras wrote: My long term goal is to realize some forms of physical synthesis under CV control. Think of things like resonating chambers of air, that is all that a wind instrument or most brass instruments are.
I'm interested in ways to put these under control of CV and maybe process audio through them, but I have a lot more crazy ideas than just air.
I'm glad that I took this route. I've been experimenting with Ron Berry's patches using the Modcan VC Flanger as the delay line. Then I went nuts and built Ian's clarinet model. There's so much more than emulation available in these models.
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