What would you replace your DPO with?

[Dogma]

Lastly i think you would get a lot of miles out of 2 mangroves and a three sisters...if you look at the cold mac demo i think youll see that combo in action...the thing ive found so amazing about them is how they AM together...they sing very well together Add a Timbre by NLC and BAMB!

[jezav]

One suggestion I rarely see, and that I'm going to make, is to look at the Subcon Model 52 Vampire. It's got a lot of sweet spots and great functionality, plus it sounds fantastic!

[Raytracer]

The secret to great wavefolding is amplitude. Put your VCA in front of the wavefolder.

Another interesting tip I recently read in another thread was to put a low-pass filter in front of the wavefolder.

[eyeiaye]

I second the mangrove votes

[krisamadhi]

I'm curious if you paired a uFold with the DPO, would that give you the additional "external" folding options that so many wish for (and that are missing with the internal DPO Fold)? Couldn't you then use two separate outputs from the two DPO oscillators, folding them with the uFold, while still using the "Final" from the DPO's internal folding. Seems like that would open up a lot of options, with just a small amount of additional HP.

Just thinking out loud.

This is my patch for a killer sound/ lead
PO
OSC 1 octave lower than OSC 2
shape and angel all the way left
Fm and Expo on OSC 2 at noon
Fold at noon

Out to

uFold II Folds at 2 Sym at 10 o’clock

Out to

Digital VCA

Out to

A-107 Step 508 , Filter F06

Out to

Optodist

[autopoiesis]

For those advocating 2x Mangroves to make up a complex oscillator, how do you find its FM behavior with the wave shapes it can yield? It seems to me (based on demos) that you can get some kind of a dirty sinusoidal wave by setting Barrel at noon, pushing Air until soft clipping, and turning Formant low enough that the impulses merge together. It sounds interesting but not exactly ideal for FM. Given that, and that Air makes AM but not ring mod possible, I've been skeptical of dual Mangrove recommendations to meet the typically expected sonic duties of a complex oscillator. I'd love to hear otherwise and where 2x Mangrove particularly shine.

[greenanother]

Not long ago, I contemplated trading my DPO for a Mangrove, but I stuck with it and would now never part with it. I found that I was mistakingly approaching it in the same ways (always trying to get the oscillators in sync with follow turned 100% up and modulating everything by external needs). Once I stopped trying the same old tricks and started listening to the results (minding that there is a lot of internal routing that Make Noise created in this module). I started getting all of these wonderful timbres out of it. Running it into an Optomix helps to focus what the DPO is putting out as well. In the track below, you can hear a low, rubbery-sounding percussion that is the DPO with lock engaged and only internal modulation (no outside envelopes, etc. patched in).

https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/mind

I achieved this sound with the DPO and Optomix set like this:



Now, on the other hand...I do plan on getting a Mangrove. Not because it would replace my DPO (which I am keeping), but because I believe it will complement it. I'm also curious how the ex lock on the DPO would work with the Mangrove. ?

[asymptote]

For those advocating 2x Mangroves to make up a complex oscillator, how do you find its FM behavior with the wave shapes it can yield? It seems to me (based on demos) that you can get some kind of a dirty sinusoidal wave by setting Barrel at noon, pushing Air until soft clipping, and turning Formant low enough that the impulses merge together. It sounds interesting but not exactly ideal for FM. Given that, and that Air makes AM but not ring mod possible, I've been skeptical of dual Mangrove recommendations to meet the typically expected sonic duties of a complex oscillator. I'd love to hear otherwise and where 2x Mangrove particularly shine.

I only have one mangrove, so I can only speak to its characteristics when fm'd with a more typical analog vco. In my experience the mangrove does produce some interesting sounds from fm. However the formant boundaries lead to somewhat unpredictable results, making the fm difficult to tame. In other words, I've found only limited use for fm in a musical context. But I'm sure with more time and experience I could discover more satisfying ways to use the mangrove. I guess that's the blessing and the curse of this module: it's a world unto its own!

[asymptote]

I'm also curious how the ex lock on the DPO would work with the Mangrove. ?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this. Perhaps I could give you my 2 cents if you tell me more about what you're getting at (I have a DPO + 1 Mangrove).

Cool track, BTW!

[greenanother]

I'm also curious how the ex lock on the DPO would work with the Mangrove. ?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this. Perhaps I could give you my 2 cents if you tell me more about what you're getting at (I have a DPO + 1 Mangrove).

Cool track, BTW!

Thanks! I'm just referencing the DPO manual:

"eXternal LOCK...is useful for chaining together multiple DPOs (or DPO and other VCO) for more complex FM, chords and other patches where tuning errors need to be minimized"

Maybe I'm reading too much into this.

[asymptote]

Thanks! I'm just referencing the DPO manual:

"eXternal LOCK...is useful for chaining together multiple DPOs (or DPO and other VCO) for more complex FM, chords and other patches where tuning errors need to be minimized"

Maybe I'm reading too much into this.

Ah, yes. I always forget about that input. If I have some extra time tonight I'll try this out with the Mangrove and report back.

[greenanother]

Thanks! I'm just referencing the DPO manual:

"eXternal LOCK...is useful for chaining together multiple DPOs (or DPO and other VCO) for more complex FM, chords and other patches where tuning errors need to be minimized"

Maybe I'm reading too much into this.

Ah, yes. I always forget about that input. If I have some extra time tonight I'll try this out with the Mangrove and report back.

Sweet; thanks!

[davidh]

I replaced it by an Anti-Oscillator and an Oscillator + Xmix + megawave (intiataly DPO replaced them, but I had more fun with malekko vcos)

actually you can also replace it by any simple analog VCO + MI Warps you get a damn crazy complex VCO

[DREIPOLAR]

for something completely different try 2x Doepfer A110-4 QZVCO Thru Zero Vco + a waveshaper/saturator/distortion of your choice ... and save some money on the way!

[tebs213]

Just to throw one more idea out there: instead of Dixie + Rubicon + uFold, I have 2 x Dixie + FM Aid + uFold. I've never had a Rubicon or DPO, so I can't compare.

Also, for more traditional FM with precise frequency ratios I have an FMVDO.

Please tell me more! Considering this exact setup. Have the Dixie ii and uFold and am digging both (especially the LFO capabilities of the Dixie ii in addition, fantastic for my MI Elements), and this seems like the most flexible setup I can think of. Definitely considering Dixie ii + and Fm Aid as my next moves beyond utilities.

[felix]

As someone who has a DPO and has had many other VCOs over the years, I have a hard time "replacing" the DPO every time it has come out of my case. It always makes its way back. But it's not necessarily because of the sound (which I love) or the features - it's how it's presented to me.

The simplest way I could put it is, the DPO doesn't require me to decide ahead of time.

When I'm patching, it's extremely rare that I'll say "I'm going to start with an FM sound!" Or "I'm going to make a modulated wave shaping sound!".
I start off with something and then work my way around. Maybe I'll add some FM... hmm, how does Linear sound... no.. not quite, how about some x-mod Expo... wow that's crazy, maybe I just control the FM bus with a short envelope for that... ok the waveshape, let's try a extreme angle with very little fold... how does that sound modulated by VCO A.... nah, not quite, ... oh maybe just the Angle modulated by VCO A but not Shape or Fold... yeah... etc, etc

^^^
Throughout that and I didn't have to re-patch anything.
I didn't even have to PRE-patch anything at the start, save for the Final output.

That in a nutshell is what I like most about the DPO. It's essentially already setup how I like it while still being flexible enough for me to break it down a little bit. And I vastly prefer this over the "VCO+VCO+VCAs+Waveshaper" collection of different individual modules that I've had before.

[ghee hgt]

ssf spectrum+rubicon here. didn't like the ufold, prefer pwm on oscilators + additional propagate pwm

[johnwynberg]

I wouldn't replace my DPO, but if --by a large stretch of imagination-- one day I was going to replace it, I probably would go for another analog complex oscillator, like the Verbos. I would love to try the Verbos CO, but I can't see myself giving up the DPO first. And I can't justify to myself also getting the Verbos, with all the other oscillators I have, like the Shapeshifter. There are more chances I could give up another dual oscillator first, like my Hertz Donut 2, but even that one, I'm not even seriously considering it, since I have just started exploring it. If I HAD to get rid of an oscillator, for me it would be the STO. It makes good company to my DPO, but I'm sure my DPO could survive without it.

[WaveRider]

don´t just look into the "hip" modules.. there is a lot of other stuff that is great!
malekko wiard anti and osc.. the best sounding most complex combination.
and get the twf with it.

I have that trio with a crossfader like Xmix, it sure bring some great tones, I never felt I missed a DPO

I do like the sputnik double vco and would try swapping my malekkos for it if I can ever do that

[DREIPOLAR]

It's essentially already setup how I like it while still being flexible enough

thats absolutely true, its a west coast oscillator after all :-) my main gripe with it is that it has such a distinct crunchy sound that no matter what you dial in it always sounds similar to my ears. also for really good fm the waveforms are not clean enough.

here is a track i did that is essentially a dpo through a QMMG. i was just dialing in sounds by ear and used fm/waveshaping al gusto. it always sounds like a dpo no matter what you do.

below is exponential fm with the cwejman vco-6, i would be very surprised if you could get a comparable range of sounds out of the dpo.

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[peripatitis]

the vco6 is in another league imo.. the sound of a synced pwm sawtooth wave is absolutely beautiful.

[happyham]

Cool. Don't forget to try syncing the Dixie/Rubicon together while using FM, and also try using the ufold in 'reverse'. Put a modulation into the audio input, and use an audio rate source for the cv input. Makes some really unique and useful sounds.

this makes it a thousand times better, along with a feedback loop with the output of the wavefolder into the tzfm index input.

[thisisprisma]

it's hard to be replace with only one thing...

[ngarjuna]

My complex oscillator is two Sputniks (the 258s) and Nonlinear Circuits Timbre. Very happy with the setup, it does pretty much what the 259-ish COs all do (with the exception of sync, it doesn't do that but I can substitute an STO when that's needed) with the added flexibility of being separate modules (and the added inflexibility of having to setup my own index VCAs for dynamic modulation). I was on the fence about the DPO but ultimately I preferred the video demos of the Timbre folder over the DPO, that plus the fact that I tend to prefer the 258ish range of sounds for musical applications it seemed like a better choice for me. No regrets.

[booksy]

ssf spectrum+rubicon here. didn't like the ufold, prefer pwm on oscilators + additional propagate pwm

I'm curious how you like the Rubicon/Spectrum pairing - does the Spectrum seem to track well with it for fm? I like my Rubicon a lot but have been thinking about trying it out with a non-Intellijel osc (currently using it with Atlantis) and I like what I hear from the Spectrum.

This thread is also making me more interested in the DPO!