Ableton Push 2

Smais · Post by **Smais** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:49 am

I think I'm going to swap my monome grid for this (i dont have a push 1). The grid is a beautiful piece of hardware, but it's a lot of work.

drowld · Post by **drowld** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:02 pm

Sinamsis wrote:I'm sure there are people who would prefer to not interact with the computer screen if possible. Combining the benefits of hardware with computing power of a PC and using the computer mainly as a recording device. I just don't happen to be one of those people.

I certainly think that the Push in general can be a very unique device in terms of live performance. I imagine, other than the wave form display (which, again, is more of a studio application), the larger screen will make live performace even easier. I really have been blown away seeing what folks can accomplish just with a Push and a lap top. Obviously, there's a lot of preparation before hand. But still impressive none the less. That's pretty much what inspired me to buy the Push to begin with. I've been wanting to play out, but it seems like it would be pretty boring to stare at a guy with a lap top. I'm certainly not bringing my full studio out. So a laptop with a Push and a limited selection of gear seems to be the ideal set up for live performance.

I still don't think I will upgrade to the new Push however. If I actually do start playing out and find myself limited with the current Push I may consider switching.

As an aside that screen really is beautiful. It does seem like it would be really nice for mixing. That being said I have two monitors, so again, I'm hard pressed to justify the expenditure at this point.

Yes you are right it's definitly wiser to wait until it's here for a bit.
I jumped myself just because i can and that push have been my main production tools theses past years.
With all the limitation of the first push i'm still able to find a way through and adapt. Will 2 it will probably goes the same

drowld · Post by **drowld** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:38 pm

How nice would it be to be able to make groups of parameters on every vst plugins so you can have them sorted on the push

sackley · Post by **sackley** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:27 pm

I'm really curious to see a picture of the screen brightness (or lack of) when powered by usb only. That's something I love about the current push, it's so portable to just plug in the usb and not worry about a power supply.

If anyone finds a pic of that please link it.

dude · Post by **dude** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:00 pm

is push 2 now shipping?

ignatius · Post by **ignatius** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:23 pm

dude wrote:is push 2 now shipping?

yeah

Parametex · Post by **Parametex** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:20 pm

How nice it would be to get a bloody midi out from push...

drowld · Post by **drowld** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:07 am

Parametex wrote:How nice it would be to get a bloody midi out from push...

Never felt the need
What for ?
I have midi on my soundcard and with a usb to midi device

Parametex · Post by **Parametex** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:16 am

drowld wrote:
Parametex wrote:How nice it would be to get a bloody midi out from push...
Never felt the need
What for ?
I have midi on my soundcard and with a usb to midi device

Cool story bro

afternaut · Post by **afternaut** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:18 am

sackley wrote:I'm really curious to see a picture of the screen brightness (or lack of) when powered by usb only. That's something I love about the current push, it's so portable to just plug in the usb and not worry about a power supply.

If anyone finds a pic of that please link it.

I read somewhere that you have to have the power supply plugged in now due to the increased power draw for the new screen. If the power supply gets unplugged by accident it won't switch off though, but will dim a lot more than Push 1.

Entrainer · Post by **Entrainer** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:32 am

Looks like other retailers have them in stock now, as well as the Push 1...

sackley · Post by **sackley** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:47 am

afternaut wrote:
sackley wrote:I'm really curious to see a picture of the screen brightness (or lack of) when powered by usb only. That's something I love about the current push, it's so portable to just plug in the usb and not worry about a power supply.

If anyone finds a pic of that please link it.
I read somewhere that you have to have the power supply plugged in now due to the increased power draw for the new screen. If the power supply gets unplugged by accident it won't switch off though, but will dim a lot more than Push 1.

Exactly, just curious to see a picture of how dim it actually is. I think that's really the only thing that's hanging me up on "upgrading". If it's so dim that it's unusable I'll have serious doubts.

drowld · Post by **drowld** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:34 am

Parametex wrote:
drowld wrote:
Parametex wrote:How nice it would be to get a bloody midi out from push...
Never felt the need
What for ?
I have midi on my soundcard and with a usb to midi device
Cool story bro

Haha yeah i didnt turned the sentence right i was in the train.

Still what for ? push isnt standalone so sending midi out with being able to channel stuff and so.

Entrainer · Post by **Entrainer** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:47 am

drowld wrote: Still what for ? push isnt standalone so sending midi out with being able to channel stuff and so.

Some modern laptops are getting stingy with their USB ports...

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:23 pm

afternaut wrote:
sackley wrote:I'm really curious to see a picture of the screen brightness (or lack of) when powered by usb only. That's something I love about the current push, it's so portable to just plug in the usb and not worry about a power supply.

If anyone finds a pic of that please link it.
I read somewhere that you have to have the power supply plugged in now due to the increased power draw for the new screen. If the power supply gets unplugged by accident it won't switch off though, but will dim a lot more than Push 1.

Push2 can be pwoered by USB alone but yeah it's pretty dim.

sackley · Post by **sackley** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:44 pm

rod_zero wrote:
afternaut wrote:
sackley wrote:I'm really curious to see a picture of the screen brightness (or lack of) when powered by usb only. That's something I love about the current push, it's so portable to just plug in the usb and not worry about a power supply.

If anyone finds a pic of that please link it.
I read somewhere that you have to have the power supply plugged in now due to the increased power draw for the new screen. If the power supply gets unplugged by accident it won't switch off though, but will dim a lot more than Push 1.
Push2 can be pwoered by USB alone but yeah it's pretty dim.

Do you have a picture? So curious about this...

dkcg · Post by **dkcg** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:33 pm

I bit the bullet and ordered a Push2. Thought about selling the Push1 myself, but the hassles of craigslist and ebay deterred me and I'll send it in for trade in. I've seen some on CL for $300, which means $250 realistic offers from CL, and after ebay fees and shipping, it will probably mean I'd make an extra $25-50 selling it on my own. Plus at least I know someone who wants to learn will get a chance from my trade in.

Can't wait!

dude · Post by **dude** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:31 pm

well, against my better judgment (initially) i bought the whole damn thing.

now i am quite glad i did. i am totally interested in push 2 but even if is a giant pos (not that i expect that) live 9.5 seems GREAT. i am coming from 8. so this is my first time in 9.anything. it was kind of how i always wanted my live software to be. immediate load. keeps my old shit but offers a better filing system immediately. my max for live now actually works. a bunch of plugs that wouldn't previously work now do. metering looks far more useful. everything perfectly working. ALL THE FUCKING COLORS. just loving my stustustudio right now with recent simplification. things seem right. hope i don't fuck it up

got notification of push 2 shipment.

pretty jazzed. thank you ableton. it really has been there with me through the last decade of music making. i am grateful. so fuck it. they can raise their prices. and i may be able to feel good about it (depending on how rock solid push is). regardless the price they demand on the software is so beyond worth what it has brought me in terms of making my shitty little room feel like a fun and limitless studio.

Matos · Post by **Matos** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:54 pm

Stoked you found your flow. Ableton really seems to be putting it all together well. Still on push one, and will probably stay that way due to having maschine studio. But it's a bloody sexy piece of kit and really well laid out.

dkcg · Post by **dkcg** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:51 pm

I think you'll be happy with it Dude. I was surprised how useful the Push is, The only time I really need to look at the computer was to edit waves and project management and when I needed to see feedback like meters and waveforms. When I saw NI's screen I was jealous, but not anymore.

sackley · Post by **sackley** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:51 am

This was posted by Tarekith over on the ableton forum.

Edit: Might as well link the thread... as this is Ableton specific. Mods - feel free to remove the link if it breaks forum rules.

https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php ... 9#p1679519

Sinamsis · Post by **Sinamsis** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:47 am

Wow, that looks pretty shitty. Haha, but it's hard to tell if it's just the camera/room, or the device. Either way there's a big contrast between USB power alone, or using the power supply. Kind of a bummer, as this makes it a little less portable.

Knights Who Say Neve · Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:02 pm

Every time I see a Push I think of this:

Anyways, carry on

h4ndcrafted · Post by **h4ndcrafted** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:05 am

Well they have said they fixed the pads this time round, which was my main concern tbh.

Push was the first midi controller I had used that I felt actually did what it said, pretty much.
Step seq with the modular is fun and hands on, navigating through Live was much better than my old Akai.

Now Ableton have actually made it and aren't relying on Akai, I have faith in the pads too.
I'm going to try it at least , I'm not actually that interested in the wave display, I'm happy to do that on my Mac, but maybe once I have tried it I will wonder how I ever did without it ?

Sinamsis · Post by **Sinamsis** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:31 am

For me, even if the pads feel good, they will still feel small. Not a deal breaker for me, but not enough of an incentive to upgrade right now. I'd almost consider getting an MPC Ren again before going down that path.

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