Ableton Push 2

Barlov · Post by **Barlov** » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:34 pm

An overhaul on Simpler and a new controller might actually steer me away from getting an Octatrack.

Cool.

drowld · Post by **drowld** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:09 am

updated the post

hpsounds · Post by **hpsounds** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:12 am

WOW !!!

drowld · Post by **drowld** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:48 am

I just buyed Push 2

LameAim · Post by **LameAim** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:06 am

Wow, this is pretty neat. Trade in your original Push for 30% off of Push 2. Older units will be donated for music education projects.

https://www.ableton.com/en/push-trade-in/

ignatius · Post by **ignatius** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:20 am

LameAim wrote:Wow, this is pretty neat. Trade in your original Push for 30% off of Push 2. Older units will be donated for music education projects.

https://www.ableton.com/en/push-trade-in/

they even give until May 2016 to make your mind if you want to trade in your push.

also, Push 1 is fine w/9.5 and ads some new features. so, all things considered it seems reasonable.. even though they did have that $400 push sale a few months back and now are basically saying it's worth $240.

but really compared to Native instruments who have shat on entire hardware lines the Abletons are saints.

and free 9.5 update is nice too. i think they've gone a reasonable way towards trying to make their customers happy. though i'm sure lot's of recent Push 1 buyers might say otherwise.

LameAim · Post by **LameAim** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:34 am

ignatius wrote:but really compared to Native instruments who have shat on entire hardware lines the Abletons are saints.

Agreed. The bar is set pretty low in this regard.

Soy Sos · Post by **Soy Sos** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:26 pm

Just grabbed the update, the new filters sound very good.

Smokey · Post by **Smokey** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:47 pm

Damn... I just got PUSH in August for $479... now I can trade up to PUSH 2 for $559.

I wish I would have waited and just bought the new one for $800...

At least I can wait until May for the trade in.

Sinamsis · Post by **Sinamsis** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:21 pm

Nice, I'll have to download this tonight. Looks awesome.

As an aside, the new screen on the Push 2 looks sexy. But other than that, any real benefits you guys will get from this? I personally under-utilize my Push as it is, and certainly do not use it at a distance from my computer monitor. I don't know that I'd gain much from upgrading to the 2. That being said, don't hate on me if in the last month before the deal ends I trade in my Push 1. Haha.

drowld · Post by **drowld** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:26 pm

Like i use push 95% of the time
Apparently workflow is improved.
THe pad feels nicer and it's easier to stay away from the computer screen.
The screen looks fucking georgous.

richie · Post by **richie** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:39 pm

Just wondering for you push users are you also keyboard players or has the push taken that over for you?

nepsis · Post by **nepsis** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:46 pm

Wow, that screen looks incredible! Due to life circumstances I might have to dump most of my hardware, but seriously considering upgrading from push 1 to push 2 to compensate!

ignatius · Post by **ignatius** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:59 pm

if you use any 3rd party things for Push.. wave DNA Liquid Music or things that require "user mode" in push please do some research.. apparently Push 2 and Push 1 are different in this regard and some of the 3rd party stuff might not work w/Push 2.

as per these comments in this post

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2015/11/a ... 2339011703

Sinamsis · Post by **Sinamsis** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:38 pm

richie wrote:Just wondering for you push users are you also keyboard players or has the push taken that over for you?

That's the problem for me. While I know I can use Push, I prefer the interaction with a keyboard. As mentioned in the sonic state demo of the Push it can inspire you to produce novel chords, melodies etc. But I just prefer to play a keyboard. Even if I am a pretty shitty keys player.

And "improved workflow" is such a vague term. Especially since workflow is such a personal thing. I dunno. While it is a very pretty piece of hardware I'm trying not to be blown away by the aesthetics. I suspect it has little to offer me personally right now. I rarely am an early adopter of things. I'll wait for others to try it out. If it really is that good maybe I'll snag a used one down the line.

drowld · Post by **drowld** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:48 pm

Sinamsis wrote:
richie wrote:Just wondering for you push users are you also keyboard players or has the push taken that over for you?
That's the problem for me. While I know I can use Push, I prefer the interaction with a keyboard. As mentioned in the sonic state demo of the Push it can inspire you to produce novel chords, melodies etc. But I just prefer to play a keyboard. Even if I am a pretty shitty keys player.

And "improved workflow" is such a vague term. Especially since workflow is such a personal thing. I dunno. While it is a very pretty piece of hardware I'm trying not to be blown away by the aesthetics. I suspect it has little to offer me personally right now. I rarely am an early adopter of things. I'll wait for others to try it out. If it really is that good maybe I'll snag a used one down the line.

That may be the difference.
I'm no keyboard player. Push make me get mellowstuff really fast.
Take time to get the use but then it's smooth.

Of course workflow is a personal thing but you can get around a way of working to find a workflow that suit your controller and your style.
Workflow isnt static. I just adapt as i need.
I changed my workflow a bit with push.
The new one is just adding stuff that was missing like better pad and better control on screen.
I still will use my mouse for half of my creation process but the essential part of the song creation is in the first half that push help me achieve easily.
But yeah defo personal

Smokey · Post by **Smokey** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:49 pm

Thanks for posting that article. I was a bit disappointed at first but now am pretty excited for this.

These are what makes it worth it to me:
New sampling workflow (HUGE for me)
New Simpler modes with grid responses
Waveform display (HUGE for me)
Better parameter display
Scales are saved with sets (yay!)
Better pads
Better surface finish
User Sample Library access (wooohoooo!)
Better user plugin support (I hope!)

fishphacurr · Post by **fishphacurr** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:22 pm

LameAim wrote:Wow, this is pretty neat. Trade in your original Push for 30% off of Push 2. Older units will be donated for music education projects.

https://www.ableton.com/en/push-trade-in/

This, to me, is just really cool of them- the idea that my older Push will get sent to some school and some lucky kids will get to be exposed to making electronic music just makes me so happy. Way to go Ableton.

Ordered my Push 2 today.

LameAim · Post by **LameAim** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:36 pm

fishphacurr wrote:
LameAim wrote:Wow, this is pretty neat. Trade in your original Push for 30% off of Push 2. Older units will be donated for music education projects.

https://www.ableton.com/en/push-trade-in/
This, to me, is just really cool of them- the idea that my older Push will get sent to some school and some lucky kids will get to be exposed to making electronic music just makes me so happy. Way to go Ableton.

Ordered my Push 2 today.

Had the same thought when I ordered mine this morning

Really though, I couldn't sleep and found myself combing through Ableton's site for info. The videos are intriguing, and frankly speaking - Push has become a pretty important of my small setup, and getting a little closer design-wise to Maschine Studio's VST/AU handling makes me a pretty easy mark for an upgrade.

Throw in a trade-in program for a decent discount and donate my old unit to some lucky kids? Yeah, I'll go with that.

h4ndcrafted · Post by **h4ndcrafted** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:43 pm

richie wrote:Just wondering for you push users are you also keyboard players or has the push taken that over for you?

Because there isn't the leverage of a key , it is hard to get a nice amount of velocity and aftertouch, even though these can be adjusted.

Also you only have to clip another pad to cut sound off, on a keyboard you won't even activate another note, but here it is too sensitive, or if you turn threshold up, too hard to get same velocities when playing chords , I find it a bit glitchy using poly.
Playing the modular it is fine however. It def doesn't compare to a keyboard, if you want to play fast leads you will either accidentally clip another pad and mute the note, or end up with velocities all over the place.
If you set velocity too light the pads will activate by themselves.
I also get a lot of locked notes when playing fast, but I can't be 100% whther this is Push or my setup, no problem from my keyboard.

Personally I excepted it is only good for chord stabs and slow leads where i can be more accurate with consistent strength to each pad

jules · Post by **jules** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:14 am

richie wrote:Just wondering for you push users are you also keyboard players or has the push taken that over for you?

I think moving your fingers on a keyboard provides more movement, some "air" in between fingers which is incredibly pleasant.
You really don't get that with push.

But it's a damn convenient machine. It does a lot of things.

The rubberised surfacing (it's gone... sad), the texture and response of the pads and buttons are critical for me - I've being accused of being a rubber/silicone fetishist, I just love these materials-.
Need to feel it before buying it.

However, I welcome the lower weight and size.

EDIT: sorry quote correction. Sorry h4ndcrafted. As usual: never do anything before 10am.

h4ndcrafted · Post by **h4ndcrafted** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:11 am

jules wrote:
h4ndcrafted wrote:Just wondering for you push users are you also keyboard players or has the push taken that over for you?
I think moving your fingers on a keyboard provides more movement, some "air" in between fingers which is incredibly pleasant.
You really don't get that with push.

But it's a damn convenient machine. It does a lot of things.

The rubberised surfacing (it's gone... sad), the texture and response of the pads and buttons are critical for me - I've being accused of being a rubber/silicone fetishist, I just love these materials-.
Need to feel it before buying it.

However, I welcome the lower weight and size.

You quoted the wrong person

Val · Post by **Val** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:13 am

I'm with you sinamsis, not sure about the benefit.

The principal thing that bothers me is the concept of a computer controller that tries to get away from the computer

What the .... seriously ? To me the (beautiful i agree) screen is just marketing.

If you want to get away from computer just buy real hardware, not this. That would really hurt me to buy a controller, a 700$ thing that produces absolutely no sound. 700$ for "improved workflow" is a bit expensive.

The scale thing and the way you play "keyboard" with it is really appealing though.

And the Ableton updates are hmm ... not really groundbreaking, a filter, improved colors, etc, more than half of the "updates" are about cosmetics
last time it was a tuner. seriously ...

Sorry if i sound like a hater, but i hope you get my point

sackley · Post by **sackley** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:20 am

I'm yet to try 9.5, but the simpler update seems quite substantial - and that's only part of it.

I'm tempted by push 2, but not sure if it's worth the $520 difference to "upgrade". I'll probably try to give it a shot this evening with push 1 and see how it feels.

The waveform display looks great - again, not sure if it's $520 of great.

Also, I think they play up the "no computer screen needed". I'm sure in reality most of those people jam out their ideas and then use the screen and mouse for final editing or set organization. I wouldn't fault ableton for that approach, people are generally pretty narrow minded and need new options driven into their heads. Don't intend to sound like a cynic, and I'm sure at this point it's the best off-screen controller available.

Sinamsis · Post by **Sinamsis** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:48 am

I'm sure there are people who would prefer to not interact with the computer screen if possible. Combining the benefits of hardware with computing power of a PC and using the computer mainly as a recording device. I just don't happen to be one of those people.

I certainly think that the Push in general can be a very unique device in terms of live performance. I imagine, other than the wave form display (which, again, is more of a studio application), the larger screen will make live performace even easier. I really have been blown away seeing what folks can accomplish just with a Push and a lap top. Obviously, there's a lot of preparation before hand. But still impressive none the less. That's pretty much what inspired me to buy the Push to begin with. I've been wanting to play out, but it seems like it would be pretty boring to stare at a guy with a lap top. I'm certainly not bringing my full studio out. So a laptop with a Push and a limited selection of gear seems to be the ideal set up for live performance.

I still don't think I will upgrade to the new Push however. If I actually do start playing out and find myself limited with the current Push I may consider switching.

As an aside that screen really is beautiful. It does seem like it would be really nice for mixing. That being said I have two monitors, so again, I'm hard pressed to justify the expenditure at this point.

EDIT: I mean two computer monitors

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