Tides Parasite v1.121: an alternative firmware for MI Tides

Orange · Post by **Orange** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:09 am

mcgold wrote:Currently trying to install the firmware but can't seem to get it working.

I get it into the update mode where all three LEDs are flashing orange. Then when I play the file into the module, the lights don't change at all. If I pump the volume they'll go red so the sound is definitely getting there...but for some reason it's not working. I've tried the FM knob at full left, center, and full right...I've also tried from both my audio interface, computer, and phone...any ideas?

EDIT: After trying over and over again I was able to get the cyclic pattern for like 3 seconds before it turns all red. and i'm only able to get that pattern like once every 15 tries right now but it always quickly turns red.

I had the same problem. First nothing, but after boosting the volume I got a few seconds of cyclic pattern. Turned out that the volume still was too soft. Cranked up the volume of my interface and it worked after that.

mcgold · Post by **mcgold** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:46 pm

Thanks guys---turned out it may have been too quiet after all..which is strange because I thought I was blasting it and it always turned red once i starting boosting the volume. Regardless, once I sent it thru a VCA and boosted it even more it worked.

Orange · Post by **Orange** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:22 pm

mcgold wrote:Thanks guys---turned out it may have been too quiet after all..which is strange because I thought I was blasting it and it always turned red once i starting boosting the volume. Regardless, once I sent it thru a VCA and boosted it even more it worked.

Have fun!

BaloErets · Post by **BaloErets** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:43 pm

mcgold wrote:Thanks guys---turned out it may have been too quiet after all..which is strange because I thought I was blasting it and it always turned red once i starting boosting the volume. Regardless, once I sent it thru a VCA and boosted it even more it worked.

Great news! Enjoy the alt Firmware. Truly amazing

healingproperties · Post by **healingproperties** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:00 pm

Just wondering...anyone experiencing PLL crashes/freezes in the latest version? amazing firmware btw!

desolationjones · Post by **desolationjones** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:57 pm

healingproperties wrote:Just wondering...anyone experiencing PLL crashes/freezes in the latest version? amazing firmware btw!

Yes, unfortunately the parasite firmware will crash if you works the pitch knob while in PLL mode. The dev is aware but I don't think they have the inclination to spend more time on this firmware.

healingproperties · Post by **healingproperties** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:27 am

Thanks for the suggestion! Ill just avoid wiggling the frequency for now.

hawkfuzz · Post by **hawkfuzz** » Thu May 03, 2018 8:16 pm

Didn't see it anywhere, but probably missed it.

If you power down and power back on, current mode data is reset. Doesn't seem like it should be happening, but it is.

casualdrinker · Post by **casualdrinker** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:13 am

A Question about the quantizer:

It's stated that the quantizer "works in all modes", but I don't see how it works with Two Drunks. The internal quantizer doesn't seem to quantize the random voltages the module generates. Is there some patching to do that I just don't get?

mqtthiqs · Post by **mqtthiqs** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:03 am

casualdrinker yes, that's "normal".
Like in all modes, in Two Drunks the quantization is applied to the input frequency(the rate at which the random values are produced), not the output voltages. I know it would make a lot more sense to quantize the output values but 1/ it was more complex technically and required a calibration procedure, and 2/ I got discouraged when Olivier started working on Marbles.

mqtthiqs · Post by **mqtthiqs** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:03 am

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casualdrinker · Post by **casualdrinker** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:04 am

mqtthiqs wrote:casualdrinker yes, that's "normal".
Like in all modes, in Two Drunks the quantization is applied to the input frequency(the rate at which the random values are produced), not the output voltages. I know it would make a lot more sense to quantize the output values but 1/ it was more complex technically and required a calibration procedure, and 2/ I got discouraged when Olivier started working on Marbles.

Thanks for the info. I came to the conclusion I'd need a quantizer module anyway. The Firmware is amazing even so, thank you so much.

SB-SIX · Post by **SB-SIX** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:06 am

Are there any plans for a tides parasites on the new 2018 version?

mqtthiqs · Post by **mqtthiqs** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:30 am

SB-SIX wrote:Are there any plans for a tides parasites on the new 2018 version?

(Hey Stefan) Not from me that for sure, but as usual I'm willing to provide guidance if anyone wants to try her hand at it.

SB-SIX · Post by **SB-SIX** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:43 am

mqtthiqs wrote:
SB-SIX wrote:Are there any plans for a tides parasites on the new 2018 version?
(Hey Stefan) Not from me that for sure, but as usual I'm willing to provide guidance if anyone wants to try her hand at it.

Hi Matthias

Ah ok that's a pity, loved the two bumps and sold my old tides maybe a bit too quickly, but I can understand your descision. I'm a (web) developer myself but I don't understand any of the mutable code

I mean I really tried but I think it is about the same as I would show my own code to my mother. Clueless...

gbraakman · Post by **gbraakman** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:02 am

sceledra wrote:Thanks for the reply, it's bricked or not. I was able to get it back to stock with the iPhone trick. Phew!

The iPhone trick didn't work for me. It took me 20 or more tries every possible configuration, with iPhone, laptop, desktop, mono cable, stereo cable, iTunes, . What worked was VLC with has a very peculiar setting in it configuration, where you play back a file at 200% loudness (?!) Ater seral tries it worked at 185% (!). Now enjoying the harmonic osc. It's marvellous especially when playing it through clouds and element and balancing the two reverbs on them. so very beautiful things happen when you control one frequency bump with math and the other with a quantized cycling envelope.

Alliex · Post by **Alliex** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:16 pm

mqtthiqs wrote:
SB-SIX wrote:Are there any plans for a tides parasites on the new 2018 version?
(Hey Stefan) Not from me that for sure, but as usual I'm willing to provide guidance if anyone wants to try her hand at it.

Has the source even been released for the 2018 version? I may have missed something somewhere, but their linked github page looks like Tides was last updated in 2016

stekme · Post by **stekme** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:55 pm

3 days fight with WAV playing.
I don't know what I not try now..

- I use MacBook Pro output with VLC /QuickTime/WuickLook players with various volume. Set Tides FM in low/mid/hi positions..
I regularly have a nice start in 3-4 seconds, but after it - red leds.
- I try to use Thundebolt dock Output, same problem. I turn gain in players, try it into DAW
- Main variant - Apogee ELEMENT 24. Headphones output.. with mono and stereo 1/8 cables. Also I try one (L and R step by step) XLR outputs to monitors.... I disconnect everything from MacBookPro - mute anything. Not help.
- I try to play files from iPhone SE
WAV not work for me... its SAD.

I get now sources from GIT
https://github.com/mqtthiqs/parasites
And try to build HEX files (for upload with ST-Utility hex files)...
With Warps and Clouds I create HEX files and upload them, all work.

But with Tides - in mutable-dev-env (where I copy from autor GIT folder of tides) I have errors about Interpolate...

May be its possible to autor build HEX files of firmware? I kill 3 evenings to play files in many variations. Its not help.

Module DIY - SWIRLS Tidal Modulator by Electric Myst - Pusherman edition
Original FW work nice. After trying to play WAV many times, turn module off, turn on - need to rue-load original FW... Because it stop to work after WAV playings. With original FW - I can easy turn off/on module and work with it.

forestcaver · Post by **forestcaver** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:40 pm

You need to make some changes to stmlib (from memory !). Parasites and pichenettes have diverged, you need to hack some bits back in - it’s pretty straight-forward

With warps parasites it’s also worth adding back in the normalization probe calibration

JakoGreyshire · Post by **JakoGreyshire** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:11 am

Forestcaver, Can you show us how to "hack some bits back in" please?

forestcaver · Post by **forestcaver** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:47 am

JakoGreyshire wrote:Forestcaver, Can you show us how to "hack some bits back in" please?

From memory (!) I rolled back to the pichenettes stmlib and then added back the helper routines from parasites - I think that’s what I did - but it was ages ago that I did it.... sorry !

Parasites uses a newer version of the arm toolchain than the mi dev environment. It also adds a lot of helper routines like the interpolate functions mentioned above (which can be found in utils/dsp.h and utils/random.*). So the major areas of change are makefile.inc and utils/dsp.h (I think there were a few others but cant remember). It only takes a few minutes to add the changes - it’s not huge changes.....

JakoGreyshire · Post by **JakoGreyshire** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:41 pm

Ah, Okay.. I'll look into it, thanks...

stekme · Post by **stekme** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:10 pm

hm, not understand what need to change.
Parasites GIT include silence folders
- stm_audio_bootloader
- stmlib
- avr_audio_bootloader
- avrlib
- avrlibx

Im just copy tides folder. But what I need to change in files, or where I need to get this files?

forestcaver · Post by **forestcaver** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:25 pm

you could install gcc/g++ 5.4 and use parasites stmlib instead....

norde · Post by **norde** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:17 am

hawkfuzz wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:16 pm Didn't see it anywhere, but probably missed it.

If you power down and power back on, current mode data is reset. Doesn't seem like it should be happening, but it is.

Has this been fixed? Because it is still present in the v1.121 for sure...I checked today.

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