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ldd23 wrote:Bottom LED off is low / medium frequency mode. You'll need to turn the frequency knob pretty high to get audio out of it then. Try setting the rate LED to red / high frequency.
Thanks LDD23, I tried that...get noise - seems a far cry from all the demos I've heard. It must be something really stupid. I'll try your suggestion again and try to upload a video.
There is definitely a difference in the osc sounds between stock fw and Parasite. Parasite does sound crisper, more digital. I hear a much higher frequency in the background that tracks with the osc as well for Parasite. I can send recordings of dry sawtooths that illustrate this if interested.
The alternate modes and additions, esp. two drunks, are really cool!
Just tested with .9beta1 because I was curious and the osc in the original function generator sounds the same as the stock fw. In the release info it says .9beta3 is the release where the saw/tri tables were reduced to make space, but this was before Olivier made additional space in a later stock fw release.
Could those tables be restored to their original size, and therefore the 'fidelity' of the original saw/tri preserved? I know I must be crazy but I do use the 'vanilla' saw/tri osc of Tides and I think they sound great even when stacked up against analog VCOs. I'd love to have my cake and eat it too where I could use all the excellent Parasite additions as well.
Between the parasites modes and native vco mode, I can't remember the last time I used Tides as an LFO/envelope. Might need a second, even though I've only got a small system. Haven't even dug into Sheeps yet.
Looking forward to upgrading to the latest fw for TZFM
ldd23 wrote:Bottom LED off is low / medium frequency mode. You'll need to turn the frequency knob pretty high to get audio out of it then. Try setting the rate LED to red / high frequency.
Thanks LDD23, I tried that...get noise - seems a far cry from all the demos I've heard. It must be something really stupid. I'll try your suggestion again and try to upload a video.
cheers
Realised my mistake : I needed an external vco and log to drive
It sounds fantastic!!! Yes a second Tides might be in order.
ldd23 wrote:Bottom LED off is low / medium frequency mode. You'll need to turn the frequency knob pretty high to get audio out of it then. Try setting the rate LED to red / high frequency.
Thanks LDD23, I tried that...get noise - seems a far cry from all the demos I've heard. It must be something really stupid. I'll try your suggestion again and try to upload a video.
cheers
Realised my mistake : I needed an external vco and log to drive
It sounds fantastic!!! Yes a second Tides might be in order.
You shouldn't need any external patches to get sound out of two-drunks. I've gotten pretty good squelchy liquid sounds just going straight from BI to output. I'll try to post patch notes tonight.
ldd23 wrote:You shouldn't need any external patches to get sound out of two-drunks. I've gotten pretty good squelchy liquid sounds just going straight from BI to output. I'll try to post patch notes tonight.
Okay, promised patch notes:
Tides in two-drunks mode, PLL off, cycling (top LED off), high frequency (bottom LED red).
BI -> output
Frequency 1 o'clock
FM 12 o'clock
Shape 8 o'clock
Slope just CCW of 9 o'clock
Smoothness 12 o'clock
Just got a Tides with Parasite firmware installed. Spent the afternoon exploring all off the modes. Really great. Especially love Two-Bumps. The octave mode is amazing with some reverb. Instant ambient organ sounds. Also enjoyed running two-drunks 2 clocks to a kick and a snare. Also tried the random walk as a pitch source for a quantizer, worked well. The only thing I wasn't 100% pleased with was the new built in quantizer. I wish it had a mode were it only updated on a trigger sent to one of the gate inputs. It was a bit wonky.
Overall: fantastic work! Thank you so much for this. I'll definitely be donating.
Sorry for the noisy post. Originally I was asking for help.
I had trouble installing Tides Parasite, until I turned the level way up. My procedure was to play the file with Audacity through a USB interface into the FM input. I maxed the FM input pot to the right. Normal line level output seems too small, so I had to turn up the USB output.
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Hi,
If you can access the bootloader (if holding the right button on startup you get blinking LEDs) then Tides is not bricked, it's just waiting for a new firmware.
I don't think that the FM attenuverter has any effect at all in the update procedure. You just have to find the right level at which to send the audio into it. I know it can be a PITA on these older modules without any level indication. You should keep trying and if you really cannot manage to update, contact MI.
PS: try with an iPhone at full volume, it has worked for many of us.
mqtthiqs wrote:Hi,
If you can access the bootloader (if holding the right button on startup you get blinking LEDs) then Tides is not bricked, it's just waiting for a new firmware.
I don't think that the FM attenuverter has any effect at all in the update procedure. You just have to find the right level at which to send the audio into it. I know it can be a PITA on these older modules without any level indication. You should keep trying and if you really cannot manage to update, contact MI.
PS: try with an iPhone at full volume, it has worked for many of us.
Thank you! I succeeded by turning the level on the USB output way up. I edited my post.
Now I am having trouble doing the calibration. I set the mode to Function Generator (LED 1) as described in parasites instructions. When I start calibration procedure, patching one end of a patch cable into Level in causes the oscillation to stop. And when I press and hold mode switch (Step 7), no LEDS are lit and it's not oscillating.
Hi. Quick question: in the two-drunk mode, when I turn the FM knob CCW - negativ the output freeze. No more clock on high and low and the uni and bi value are frozen. I've to turn the frequency button to 3 o'clock and more to get something. Or to turn the FM knob back to noon or more and move the frequency knob.
I thought that the fm with no input was used to select the coin tossing results?
aroom wrote:Hi. Quick question: in the two-drunk mode, when I turn the FM knob CCW - negativ the output freeze. No more clock on high and low and the uni and bi value are frozen. I've to turn the frequency button to 3 o'clock and more to get something. Or to turn the FM knob back to noon or more and move the frequency knob.
I thought that the fm with no input was used to select the coin tossing results?
Hi. There are two things at stake here:
- first, note that the FM attenuverter has two functions: attenuate the FM input and set the pulse width for the outputs. The thing is: the FM input is normalled to a small voltage, which means that turning the attenuverter with nothing plugged into FM will 1/ set the pulse width 2/ change the frequency of the main clock. If you want only 1/, put a dummy cable into the FM input. I know, that's not ideal, but that's the downside of working with someone else's hardware.
- Second, I also get the output "stalled" when I turn the attenuverter CCW. That's a bug, I'll put it on my to do list for my summer vacations.
So Im a relative n00b to hardware modulars but haz me a Tides and Maths module.
Tides was working fine and dandy with the official firmware.
Ive now tried the current Parasites which installed Ok first time, no need to fiddle with volume levels.
However, the Frequency Knob and v/oct input now have no effect whatsoever.
So I just constant pitch drones.
Ive tried tweaking the frequency knob, sequencing from my SQ1 and modulating the pitch with the Maths module, nothing.
These worked fine with the official firmware.
I also noticed a discernible difference between the original mode on the Parasites and official firmware. Parasites is harsher and emitted clicking in certain range selections.
I then tried to reinstall the official firmware and it kept failing.
Eventually got it to install after playing around with volume levels and having to turn up the output so my RME multiface (1st gen) was peaking in the red.
Tides is a pretty powerful and complex module even without advanced firmware, if you are new to the module I would recommend fully mastering and understanding the original functions before moving to the more advanced parasites (as tempting as it is to get more cool options, sometimes less is more!).
This is pretty much the case for all the MI stuff, they do so much anyway, you could get lost very quickly if you are not up to speed, I have tides, clouds frames, braids and peaks, all have superb parasite options, but I am only updating if I need the new function or have fully mastered what I have operationally (I.e I know what all the existing functions/menus and outputs do without having to refer to a manual or cheat sheet - if I find myself having to look at instructions whilst wiggling it seriously detracts from the modular experiance ....)
Slic wrote:if you are new to the module I would recommend fully mastering and understanding the original functions before moving to the more advanced parasites
Yes, I fully agree with this!
Plus my manuals are always written in an incremental style, pre-supposing that one is familiar with the stock functions, so it is even more difficult for a beginner to jump right into the functions of the parasite.
bengersfood wrote:Did you calibrate after installing the firmware? That's usually a given.
I did not, do you think this would solve the problem?
( I forgot to say thanks for this firmware )
P.s.
Im no stranger to synthesis, technology or software / hardware (having been an addict for 20 years now) and have watched several videos, read the manual etc and experimented with Tides together my Phenol, Microbrute and fledgling eurorack case
bengersfood wrote:Did you calibrate after installing the firmware? That's usually a given.
I did not, do you think this would solve the problem?
I've no idea if it would help, but most of the alt firmware updates seem to require it. Given that it was frequency control that was playing up, I think it would be worth a try.
Played with two-drunks mode yesterday for a bit, and it seemed to me that random 'pitch' output is more of a looping random thing that repeats itself than fully random. Is that correct? Are there ways to generate a new sequence / pattern within existent step resolution?
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