Stilson Hammer mkII = performance sequencer!

sackley · Post by **sackley** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:29 pm

mt3 wrote:
sackley wrote:3. To expand on that concept, and I think this is a real stretch, might it be possible to save the settings of MkII modules within the SH presets? Obviously there would have to be some kind of ribbon cable connection for normaling, maybe using the existing ports. Hertz Donut tracking, waveforms, mod destination. Kermit settings (at least the digital mod destination and rate setting). Zorlon Cannon clock settings. This would be incredible for patch evolution and performance.

This kind of integration is what I'm hoping to see in the mk III modules...

That's also what I'm (realistically) hoping for.

wireangel · Post by **wireangel** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:45 am

Im hoping the mkIII modules are 4U, uses bananas and look like Buchla modules with orange knobs....

...but without the rarity and insanely high prices

Its possible that I may be alone in this.

soundslikejoe · Post by **soundslikejoe** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:53 pm

wireangel wrote:
Its possible that I may be alone in this.

You are.

wireangel · Post by **wireangel** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:13 pm

soundslikejoe
???

soundslikejoe · Post by **soundslikejoe** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:11 am

Jokes man... that was the punchline to your setup.

sackley · Post by **sackley** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:38 am

200e versions of IME would absolutely push me over the edge into that format. Already considering that path, and that would be the nail in the coffin.

On topic: Anyone have experiences similar with loading? I suspect this may be user error, though still curious if anyone else can test loading with slow external clocks.

wireangel · Post by **wireangel** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:27 pm

soundslikejoe
Cheers... was late and I was up watching wildfires and having to pack synths ready to leave. Needed the smiley!

All good.

wireangel · Post by **wireangel** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:46 pm

Another patch exploring the use of phasing sequences from SHii and Argos Bleak. This one a single sequence to derive 2 separate lines, with the second using a different sequence of gates.
Uses v2 probability and some bursts to create a shifting canon.
A 3rd line was recorded after using the same patch, but slightly different seq parameters.
Uses double gate/envelopes to create additional phasing of the lines.
Sound source is Hertz Donut mkii.
Light editing in Live and addition of Eventide and Audio Damage plug ins for delay and reverb.
https://soundcloud.com/cen-8/sp1r3

mt3 · Post by **mt3** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:50 pm

sackley wrote:On topic: Anyone have experiences similar with loading? I suspect this may be user error, though still curious if anyone else can test loading with slow external clocks.

Can't reproduce. Used same setup as you.
Even tried with no EXT CLK signal patched.
What happens if you don't press RESET?

Go to a GATE page where you can see which sliders are assigned a gate.
Load different preset.
Do the sliders change?

wireangel · Post by **wireangel** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:53 pm

Also have not been able to repro, this morning.

wireangel · Post by **wireangel** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:55 pm

How 'glacial' is the clock. Does the behavior change if the clock is higher tempo?

mt3 · Post by **mt3** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:12 pm

sackley wrote:On topic: Anyone have experiences similar with loading? I suspect this may be user error, though still curious if anyone else can test loading with slow external clocks.

...and believe I just reproduced it.

So you pressed RESET after loading a new patch in order to instantly start the new patch rather than having the new patch load after the old patch finishes its sequence (and essentially presses RESET for you when it reaches the end of its sequence), correct?

Similar to toggling betwen EXT CLK and INT CLK to force the new preset to load, does the new preset load if you toggle START/STOP while in EXT CLK mode?

governor blacksnake · Post by **governor blacksnake** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:42 pm

one of you people must have installed a clandestine listening device in my office or something

mt3 · Post by **mt3** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:10 pm

Let the mk III fantasy unicorn fanfic speculative future feature requests begin!

sackley · Post by **sackley** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:51 pm

Cheers Gov. Please don't tempt me with 200e. MkIII with state saving would be

Glacial (may be an exaggeration for the current patch, have been exploring leaving all patch cords static and only tweaking knobs and settings, so at one point or another it was probably ~20 bpm or less) currently ~30-60 bpm, which I wouldn't exactly term as 'glacial'.

Yes, pressing 'Reset' after confirming a new preset load as you described for exactly those reasons. It does load properly when switched to internal clock. It also loads instantly when first booted and in "Stop" position and "Internal" clock mode.

I'll have to get my patch explorations recorded so I can test this further. Appreciate the help mt3 & wireangel.

davidu · Post by **davidu** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:36 am

Hi, anybody know how to check current firmware version in SH2????

debolish · Post by **debolish** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:26 am

davidu wrote: Hi, anybody know how to check current firmware version in SH2????

You may verify your firmware version by power cycling and holding INIT + MODE (in the clock section).

davidu · Post by **davidu** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:33 am

debolish wrote:
davidu wrote: Hi, anybody know how to check current firmware version in SH2????
You may verify your firmware version by power cycling and holding INIT + MODE (in the clock section).

it's not working

davidu · Post by **davidu** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:16 am

davidu wrote:
debolish wrote:
davidu wrote: Hi, anybody know how to check current firmware version in SH2????
You may verify your firmware version by power cycling and holding INIT + MODE (in the clock section).
it's not working

ok i got it!

you just have to press INIT+MODE

thx

jwise · Post by **jwise** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:15 pm

Firmware has been updated today to 2.01 - from Facebook:

This fixes two bugs (ghost pulses on tracks 2, 3, 4 when reset, incorrect scale root selection behavior in 12 tone mode). There will be another update in the future, but I'm thinking of a fun feature or two to add before finishing that work.

Get the update here: http://www.industrialmusicelectronics.com/products/18

hawkfuzz · Post by **hawkfuzz** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:17 am

Is the knob by the clock mode button not doing anything still...or am I forgetting?

I just started messing with sending LFOs to the clock CV, which means I'm using internal clocking and couldn't remember if the knob has a function anymore.

Really hate the tempo input currently. It makes sense for the rotary to be the clock input, but the button combo really is frustrating. Doesn't make sense for a knob to do nothing though.

Loving all the new features still and glad I've kept it.

mt3 · Post by **mt3** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:58 am

hawkfuzz wrote:Is the knob by the clock mode button not doing anything still...or am I forgetting?

I just started messing with sending LFOs to the clock CV, which means I'm using internal clocking and couldn't remember if the knob has a function anymore.

Really hate the tempo input currently. It makes sense for the rotary to be the clock input, but the button combo really is frustrating. Doesn't make sense for a knob to do nothing though.

Loving all the new features still and glad I've kept it.

"Large clock knob fine tunes sequence tempo".
Mine does nothing except display 000 when I turn the clock knob.
I hate the cumbersome tempo change finger gymnastics as well. I get too lazy to change the tempo, I don't even bother at times.

sackley · Post by **sackley** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:32 am

sackley wrote:I don't understand why other users don't find this current combo annoying. Why not "Shift+ Tempo Knob" if you want to avoid unintentional changes?

soundslikejoe · Post by **soundslikejoe** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:34 am

mt3 wrote: I hate the cumbersome tempo change finger gymnastics as well. I get too lazy to change the tempo, I don't even bother at times.

Me too. I liked having drastic tempo changes available on the big knob. Since moving that function to the button+knob combo... I now use SH almost exclusively in EXT CLK mode.

atimbral · Post by **atimbral** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:35 pm

soundslikejoe wrote:
mt3 wrote: I hate the cumbersome tempo change finger gymnastics as well. I get too lazy to change the tempo, I don't even bother at times.
Me too. I liked having drastic tempo changes available on the big knob. Since moving that function to the button+knob combo... I now use SH almost exclusively in EXT CLK mode.

My feelings exactly! So I emailed Scott about making the clock knob sweep the full range of tempos, and this was his reply:

"This is how the clock knob originally worked in the 1.0 firmware. We switched to the encoder programming to greatly increase the stability of the clock. Having a 12 bit ADC controlling such a wide range of values was negatively affecting the timing. The fine knob’s resolution is actually much greater than tenths, the display just doesn’t show it. The CV input for the clock is still very sensitive, though. If you patch a DC voltage into it you can use the attenuverter to get the effect you are looking for.

I’ll try the reversal of the encoder programming behavior (push+turn does coarse) in the next update! Thanks for your message."

Good explanation for why it was changed, and maybe it will get a little easier to change with the encoder alone soon. Also the DC workaround is OK for some situations.

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Stilson Hammer mkII = performance sequencer!