"Mutable" PCB's, delight in the selection

adam · Post by **adam** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:51 pm

monstrinho wrote:Please put me down for:

1 x Module Tester
1 x Elements
1 x Streams
1 x Frames

...plus 1 x Clouds from the other thread.

have you paid for clouds yet?

edit - don't worry, i've found you

IImyment · Post by **IImyment** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:39 pm

hi,
is it still possible to get :
1x Braids
1x Module Tester pcb

adam · Post by **adam** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:43 pm

yes it is IImyment, i will add you to the lists, thanks

lamouette/rck · Post by **lamouette/rck** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:53 pm

Here is my turn, (i already paid for the clouds)

So :

1 Module tester
2 Tides

adam · Post by **adam** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:18 pm

wow

those are added

Bluebottle · Post by **Bluebottle** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:49 pm

Hi Adam. Can I order 1 x Module Tester?

I'm also interested in 1 x Grid if it gets off the ground.

Thanks.

dropmotif · Post by **dropmotif** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:51 pm

Uh-oh. Can I please have one of each:

clouds
elelments
ripples
streams
tides
module tester

Thanks!

edited to remove frames

borfo · Post by **borfo** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:48 pm

Just FYI, here's what a tape of 0603 capacitors looks like. With grains of rice and a nickel for scale. Happy soldering!

Steelshank · Post by **Steelshank** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:58 pm

Hi,

Super psyched on this! Here is my list:

Elements
Braids
Ripples
Frames
Streams
Tides
Yarns
Grids

Thanks!

shabax · Post by **shabax** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:58 pm

Add me up for :
1x Elements
1x Module Tester
1x Frames
1x Shruthi DSP

bennelong.bicyclist · Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:20 pm

borfo wrote:Just FYI, here's what a tape of 0603 capacitors looks like. With grains of rice and a nickel for scale. Happy soldering!

And just for further comparison, here is an 0603 resistor, the same size as the capacitors in borfo's' photo below, next to an STM32F013 processor chip as used in Braids, Tides, Frames, Yarns, Peaks and Streams. The pins on the STM32F4 processors used in Clouds and Elements are the same size, there is just more of them (64 instead of 48).

numan7 · Post by **numan7** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:25 pm

please add me to the lists for 1 each of:

- Elements

- module tester

cheers

fcd72 · Post by **fcd72** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:21 am

This is gonna be the TITANIC of DIY Group Buys…..

adam · Post by **adam** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:24 am

Jonachi · Post by **Jonachi** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:31 am

fcd72 wrote:This is gonna be the TITANIC of DIY Group Buys…..

haha, pretty much feel the same. This thread should have som disclaimer och warning ingo about the massive SMT soldering needed. That being said I'm willing to try it.

the bad producer · Post by **the bad producer** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:32 am

changed my mind

adam · Post by **adam** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:36 am

Jonachi wrote:
fcd72 wrote:This is gonna be the TITANIC of DIY Group Buys…..
haha, pretty much feel the same. This thread should have som disclaimer och warning ingo about the massive SMT soldering needed. That being said I'm willing to try it.

there are lots of smt warnings throughout the thread - a page or two back i tried to shatter any illusions these are automatically cheap projects to make too, just because they're diy

still, i'd say you're all grown ups - it's pretty clear there are some seasoned diy'ers here and probably engineers too

adam · Post by **adam** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:43 am

the bad producer wrote:I'd like to get (on top of the clouds), one each of:

elements
frames
ripples
tides
grids (if it's happening)

Cheers adam!

have added those, thanks - grids is looking good at the moment, 5 more needed

mxmxmx · Post by **mxmxmx** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:30 am

adam wrote:
still, i'd say you're all grown ups

indeed. at any rate there's no reason to over-mystify things. clearly, the "DIY = through-hole" equation mostly and needlessly was/is just holding things back.

if you're into ship-metaphors, i'd suspect the frontispiece of the Instauratio Magna might be the more apt reference ... "Multi pertransibunt et augebitur scientia."

adam · Post by **adam** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:45 am

fcd72 · Post by **fcd72** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:51 am

adam wrote: there are lots of smt warnings throughout the thread - a page or two back i tried to shatter any illusions these are automatically cheap projects to make too, just because they're diy

still, i'd say you're all grown ups - it's pretty clear there are some seasoned diy'ers here and probably engineers too

Then, may i be the heretic to ask how many of you successfully managed to complete a 0603 pitched project with some hundred components?

Im a bit sceptic that people that are capable of successfully finishing a 0603 pitched project with that pile of components like ELEMENTS waited for a PCB Group Buy to get their hands on a PCB. Im pretty sure there are some people out there with these skills - its just that i don't know a single one of them. But maybe I shouldn't extrapolate from my admittedly particular bad DIY Skills.

Id loooooooooooove to see someone building a working ELEMENTS by hand and offer a nicely cut Acryilic Faceplate for free for those that succeed.

bennelong.bicyclist · Post by **bennelong.bicyclist** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:18 am

mxmxmx wrote: indeed. at any rate there's no reason to over-mystify things. clearly, the "DIY = through-hole" equation mostly and needlessly was/is just holding things back.

I agree that SMT can be perfectly consistent with DIY, if the project is designed for hand-soldered SMT from the outset. My point is that these MI designs were never intended for DIY, and thus the component and importantly the pad sizes make some of the components on them very challenging to solder, even for experienced SMT constructors. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how people get on. I'm sure some will succeed, but I wonder how many.

Pfurmel · Post by **Pfurmel** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:22 am

Can you put my name down for:
1x Clouds
1x Elements
1x Braids

(I can pay straight away for the clouds if that is finishing tomorrow)

Thanks,

Barry

mxmxmx · Post by **mxmxmx** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:53 am

bennelong.bicyclist wrote:
mxmxmx wrote: indeed. at any rate there's no reason to over-mystify things. clearly, the "DIY = through-hole" equation mostly and needlessly was/is just holding things back.
I agree that SMT can be perfectly consistent with DIY, if the project is designed for hand-soldered SMT from the outset. My point is that these MI designs were never intended for DIY, and thus the component and importantly the pad sizes make some of the components on them very challenging to solder, even for experienced SMT constructors. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how people get on. I'm sure some will succeed, but I wonder how many.

sure, you'd probably go about things slightly differently when aiming at DIY. but we're not talking about BGAs or what; broadly speaking it wouldn't make things much easier if it were, say, entirely 0805. the "never intended for DIY" thing is slightly misleading, too, in as much assembly isn't all there is to it. plainly there's just no way to avoid SMD when designing these kinds of module. from that perspective, you might as well say that the stuff is rather DIY friendly. codecs come in rather more unpleasant packages than, say, a WM8731.

my point is that there's no point in over-doing the cassandra-thing. no doubt, some people will fail. but the net effect will be: as the psychological barriers are being broken down, gradually more designers will consider SMD, meaning more, better and more interesting digital DIY modules in the long run.

berenie · Post by **berenie** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:59 am

I'd like (1x) frames, (1x) elements as well!!

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"Mutable" PCB's, delight in the selection

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