"Mutable" PCB's, delight in the selection

adam · Post by **adam** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:30 am

good morning

adam · Post by **adam** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:17 am

peaks running out

adam · Post by **adam** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:32 am

sold that last grids finally

grids is now sold out

adam · Post by **adam** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:04 am

if anyones desperate for a grids, lcf has one he wants to sell - shipping will be cheap for anyone living in france

adam · Post by **adam** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:30 am

just occurred to me that you can turn one random gate generator into 3 with a branches

jensu · Post by **jensu** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:13 am

Dude. You don't need to bump your thread every single day.
I'm sure people looking to buy your pcb's are either aware of the thread by now, or will find it in a search.

Altitude909 · Post by **Altitude909** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:00 am

Not to mention violating the rules:

- POST IN THE RIGHT PLACE! Do not post 'For Sale', 'For Trade' or 'Want To Buy' threads or posts outside the relevant subforums. They will be deleted.

- You can bump your 'For Sale' and 'For Trade' threads reasonably, like every few days or once a week or whatever....

adam · Post by **adam** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:06 pm

lots of people sell stuff in this section, including you

Altitude909 · Post by **Altitude909** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:20 am

yes but those threads go beyond "buy my shit" and "I want this or that" and dont get bumped daily.

batchas · Post by **batchas** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:27 pm

jensu wrote:Dude. You don't need to bump your thread every single day.
I'm sure people looking to buy your pcb's are either aware of the thread by now, or will find it in a search.

I agree with jensu and with Altitude909

Shit! I just bumped your thread, though I really don't like its title

adam · Post by **adam** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:34 pm

well, easiest thing is not to click on it if you don't want to look, i can't change your reaction to seeing words on a screen, thanks for bumping my thread though

whoop_john · Post by **whoop_john** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:11 pm

adam wrote:Feel the thrill of building cutting-edge moules

I am quite partial to mussels.

adam · Post by **adam** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:13 pm

not sure how you'd build one though

adam · Post by **adam** » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:12 am

new yarns, links and breadboard friends pcbs should be finished today, should be here in 10 days or hopefully less

adam · Post by **adam** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:23 am

only 2 streams left...

adam · Post by **adam** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:40 am

this is one of those subliminal relaxation aids

pichenettes · Post by **pichenettes** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:01 am

adam wrote:this is one of those subliminal relaxation aids

No, this is tasteless, shameless bump.

adam · Post by **adam** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:01 am

What do you mean tasteless?, the colours are beautiful

bennelong.bicyclist · Post by **bennelong.bicyclist** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 2:58 pm

adam wrote:What do you mean tasteless?, the colours are beautiful

Adam,

You appear to have built yourself a little business selling largely unsupported copies of Mutable Instruments PCBs to people who don't realise they can order such PCBs themselves from any number of PCB fabrication retailers on the web, usually in greater quantities, for a similar price, which then allows them to practice their SMD soldering on a few of the spare boards first.

By "largely unsupported", I mean that you offer the PCBs for sale, but don't provide any advice to prospective customers about what's involved in making these modules, and you largely rely on the goodwill of others to help out your customers when they get into trouble. In fact, it seems that you don't even bother to build examples of each module yourself, using your own PCBs, before offering them for sale - thus you don't even know what is involved in building each one.

None of this is illegal, and all of it is permitted under the licensing of the designs, although some of us think such behaviour is morally dubious. But now various people in this forum, including the designer of the modules himself, have very reasonably asked you to stop bumping your PCB sales thread. Your response is to carry on regardless, and respond with smart-arsed comments.

If you persist, the next step will be to formally ask the MW admins whether your PCB sales thread bumping behaviour is consistent with MW policies and with the norms for the DIY forum.

And I have decided to stop providing any advice to hapless DIY constructors using PCBs they obtained from you. I feel sorry for these people, but I can't help prop up your business any longer in good conscience. A photo of their PCB quickly reveals whether it was bought from you. Others who have provided advice to your customers may also wish to adopt a similar policy.

adam · Post by **adam** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:18 pm

sduck · Post by **sduck** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:21 pm

Start a new version of this thread over in the BST forum. Stop bumping this thread daily. Otherwise I'll lock this one. I don't mind a monthly bump, but this daily version has to stop.

adam · Post by **adam** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:15 am

alright,

i'll just correct tim on a few things, if he wants a protracted argument he can have one - i'm not interested in talking to him especially though.

Adam,

You appear to have built yourself a little business selling largely unsupported copies of Mutable Instruments PCBs to people who don't realise they can order such PCBs themselves from any number of PCB fabrication retailers on the web, usually in greater quantities, for a similar price, which then allows them to practice their SMD soldering on a few of the spare boards first.

this restricts people to pcbs made in far eastern sweatshops - i'd be very surprised if my prices for one pcb could be matched on a small run of multiple pcbs made in decent facilities in the uk, usa or germany, like mine are.

By "largely unsupported", I mean that you offer the PCBs for sale, but don't provide any advice to prospective customers about what's involved in making these modules, and you largely rely on the goodwill of others to help out your customers when they get into trouble.

this is untrue

In fact, it seems that you don't even bother to build examples of each module yourself, using your own PCBs, before offering them for sale - thus you don't even know what is involved in building each one.

debatable. i've got no interest in debating this though

But now various people in this forum, including the designer of the modules himself, have very reasonably asked you to stop bumping your PCB sales thread. Your response is to carry on regardless, and respond with smart-arsed comments.

if you think making nasty remarks about my drawing is reasonably asking me to stop bumping a thread, your helmets too tight.

And I have decided to stop providing any advice to hapless DIY constructors using PCBs they obtained from you. I feel sorry for these people, but I can't help prop up your business any longer in good conscience. A photo of their PCB quickly reveals whether it was bought from you. Others who have provided advice to your customers may also wish to adopt a similar policy.

i'm exceedingly glad you've decided to stop interfering, your lying about people needing to compile firmware has held many back, your strong assertion that there could not possibly be anything wrong with the version of streams firmware used by diyers led one member to spend two hours taking his build apart looking for faulty components, left alone he could probably have solved this more easily, this particular episode also caused another builder a lot of hassle he could have done without.

i'd encourage anyone who resents giving advice to other members to stop doing so.

i do appreciate the help you've given people who've bought my pcb's, the way you first showed me these modules could be built by way of your avatar pic, and the way you feed the worlds plants every time you exhale though

Jarno · Post by **Jarno** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:38 am

Please make this go away, TS has shown ill comprehension of Fair Use and Open Source mentality, and (more importantly) has been a total a** from the start.

adam · Post by **adam** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:47 am

you're entitled to your opinion but i can't see what this has got to do with anything, tim made some errors likely to affect me, i needed to correct them, i've agreed not to bump this thread daily and started an alternate thread in the bst, if you don't reply to this thread it will mostly go away

fair use as i understand it applies to copyright material, not the cc-by-sa licence

comprehending Open Source mentality is not a rule of this forum

latigid on · Post by **latigid on** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:08 am

adam wrote:comprehending Open Source mentality is not a rule of this forum

Wow. Such an audacious attitude you have. It seems like the name of one of the MI alternative firmwares has inspired your business model.

I would prefer if you plied your trade elsewhere.

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