NEW Moog style designed filter modules in Euro

felixer · Post by **felixer** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:57 am

euromorcego wrote:design 'too old' anyway?

this stuff is from the 60ies. patents etc usually hold for max 25 years. and more importantly: moog themselves don't produce anything like this. or like the originals. closest they get is some underfeatured/overpriced modules for the 500series audioracks. so it's not stepping on anybody's toes ...
whether this euromodule produces anything but eye-candy remains to be heard

sooo many filters around. and many needing/wishing a compact/lo-hp setup. dunno about this

lightworks · Post by **lightworks** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:12 am

Hi!

I'm also part of the Aion Modular project, so let me do a proper introduction

After some years trying to convince Kazike to bring his modules to euro format I'm happy to finally see this coming to the light of day.

Our goal is to bring a "scaled down" moog modular inspired system in eurorack format. We are focusing not only on the looks and sounds but also the ergonomics.

To begin this adventure we are bringing to eurorack format the moog modular filter set. The first module to come out will be the 904A Low Pass filter followed by the 904B High Pass and the 904C Filter Coupler.
We'll try to record some audio samples during the weekend and post them on monday.

All our modules will be skiff friendly.

Let me know what you think, and also, let me know what modules from the Club Of The Knobs catalog you would like to see next in eurorack.

If you have a facebook acount you can follow us here: www.facebook.com/aion.modular
And here is our website: www.aion-modular.com/ (still under construction)

All the best,
Ruben

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lightworks · Post by **lightworks** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:13 am

metasonix wrote:It's spelled "BANDWIDTH", btw.......

thanks for pointing this out! already corrected

LaBelleAurore · Post by **LaBelleAurore** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:52 am

felixer wrote:
euromorcego wrote:design 'too old' anyway?
this stuff is from the 60ies. patents etc usually hold for max 25 years. and more importantly: moog themselves don't produce anything like this. or like the originals.

The look and feel of Moog modules would be protected as Trade Dress, not patent. Trade dress falls under trademark law in the U.S. Even if Moog has current registrations for the look and feel of their old modulars, they would most likely be prevented from suing anyone making modules that have a similar look and feel because they have permitted .com, moon modular, and COTK to operate for years. This is a defense to claims of infringement known as the doctrine of acquiescence.

microfauna · Post by **microfauna** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:58 am

5U and Euro photo very cute

e-grad · Post by **e-grad** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:58 am

lightworks wrote:[/size]

Love that pic!

Isaiah · Post by **Isaiah** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:16 am

lightworks
Are the modules suitable for conversion to banana sockets?
Or would the design/construction make this too messy/difficult?

Also, are you using through-hole components or SMT?
Discrete transistors or arrays?
I certainly don't want to start a debate over which is better, I'm simply curious.
Thanks!

JohnLRice · Post by **JohnLRice** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:51 am

lightworks wrote:Hi!

I'm also part of the Aion Modular project, so let me do a proper introduction

After some years trying to convince Kazike to bring his modules to euro format I'm happy to finally see this coming to the light of day.

All the best,
Ruben

Great job on this Ruben and Kazike!

JohnLRice · Post by **JohnLRice** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:57 am

Isaiah wrote:lightworks
Are the modules suitable for conversion to banana sockets?
Or would the design/construction make this too messy/difficult?

I was thinking the same thing, only with using TT jacks. But I'm guessing it might be difficult since Ruben said they are skiff friendly which might mean the jacks are soldered to the PCB.

jc3music · Post by **jc3music** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:20 pm

Without the Moog logo it will always be just another clone, with some people praising it and others dissing it.

My Voyager XL sits right under my monster case for this reason, it's semi-modular and un-deniably Moog.

Good luck with these modules, I recommend a silver faceplate as an option.

blastitol · Post by **blastitol** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:52 pm

Regarding module suggestions,
I think the dual tank reverb would rule. I'm sure a lot of other wigglers would agree. It would be a very nice alternative to the Doepfer 'verb. Can I get a hell yeah?!

JohnLRice · Post by **JohnLRice** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:02 pm

jc3music wrote:Without the Moog logo it will always be just another clone

Modern products by the Moog company are just clones too, right? 8_)

lightworks · Post by **lightworks** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:21 pm

Isaiah wrote:lightworks
Are the modules suitable for conversion to banana sockets?
Or would the design/construction make this too messy/difficult?

Also, are you using through-hole components or SMT?
Discrete transistors or arrays?
I certainly don't want to start a debate over which is better, I'm simply curious.
Thanks!

Like JohnLRice, the banana sockets would be hard to implement since the jacks are soldered to the PCB.

We are using SMT and through-hole components. The through-hole parts were used where we think is necessary.
As for the transistors we are using dual transistor matched pairs packages.

thank you all for the suport!

All the best,
Ruben

anselmi · Post by **anselmi** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:35 pm

lightworks wrote:We are using SMT and through-hole components. The through-hole parts were used where we think is necessary.

interesting

are the through-hole components the ones that are critical for the sound?

anselmi · Post by **anselmi** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:35 pm

lightworks wrote:We are using SMT and through-hole components. The through-hole parts were used where we think is necessary.

interesting

are the through-hole components the ones that are critical for the sound?

anselmi · Post by **anselmi** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:35 pm

lightworks wrote:We are using SMT and through-hole components. The through-hole parts were used where we think is necessary.

interesting

are the through-hole components the ones that are critical for the sound?

Bob Borries · Post by **Bob Borries** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:51 pm

I did this to see what it generic euro would look like, but I prefer to take my Moog filter black... like my coffee.

JohnLRice · Post by **JohnLRice** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:13 pm

Bob Borries wrote:

Nice photoshop job!

But . . NO!

Eurorack users MUST now embrace the dark side!

sloth713 · Post by **sloth713** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:20 pm

I like this.

What level of cv voltages will it handle -5v to +5v or -10V to +10V?

felixer · Post by **felixer** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:22 am

jc3music wrote:Without the Moog logo it will always be just another clone, with some people praising it and others dissing it. My Voyager XL sits right under my monster case for this reason, it's semi-modular and un-deniably Moog.

i do hope you are not suggesting that the voyager (or any other newer moog product) sounds like an old modular. even an old mini sounds different ... not better or worse: that's a matter of taste/application. just different.
if these modules really nail that original character (and knowing now who's behind this there just might be a chance) i guess some folks will love 'm 8_)

re-other modules: looking thru the cotk list some some cv modules like the ratchet sq, arabesque, euclidian bi-clock sq, clock denominator etc strike me as interesting. maybe because those are not clones, but the product of some creative thinking

Post by **Joe.** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:41 am

I'm not sure if nostalgia is going to be a strong enough selling point to see this project become successful, If there's one thing I've learnt on Muffs it's that the majority of Euro users want their modulars to take up the smallest space possible (because they live in caravans?).

I don't think you'll see many of these in people's "skiffs"

n_m · Post by **n_m** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:45 am

Looks like 12 hp maybe (?) That's an acceptable size for a filter with 3 CV inputs, IMHO.

LoFi Junglist wrote:I'm not sure if nostalgia is going to be a strong enough selling point to see this project become successful, If there's one thing I've learnt on Muffs it's that the majority of Euro users want their modulars to take up the smallest space possible (because they live in caravans?).

I don't think you'll see many of these in people's "skiffs"

milkshake · Post by **milkshake** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:42 am

The Frequency Central raging Bull filter has more beef than a 904 imo.
And with 2 of them subtracted from each other you get lowpass/bandpass/highpass filtering with 2 resonance peaks.

Dcramer · Post by **Dcramer** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:00 am

JohnLRice wrote:
Bob Borries wrote:

Nice photoshop job! But . . NO! Eurorack users MUST now embrace the dark side!

Long live Livewire!

dualmono · Post by **dualmono** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:06 am

lightworks wrote: Let me know what you think, and also, let me know what modules from the Club Of The Knobs catalog you would like to see next in eurorack.

Thats easy:
C915
C969
C1630
C1680

MOD WIGGLER

MOD WIGGLER

NEW Moog style designed filter modules in Euro