MakeNoise CTRSEL series and use of the Bus

[Summa]

Hey! Can somebody shine some light on what pin the CTRLSEL modules are using for its control signals? Since MakeNoise supply an 10Pin flying bus board cable with their systems I was wondering how they access the Internal Gate and Internal CV which is normally located on top of the busboard and only accessed if you have an 16Pin cable!?

[sleepy_sloth]

Ooh that is a good question. I was assuming there would be an extra set of pins on the back of the CTRLSEL stuff to connect them to each other, like how Rene can be chained. I guess that wouldn't allow for connecting to other modules in the back though.

[makenoise]

CTRLSEL
A system of modules that have Global and Local recall of settings via a single analog control voltage. CTRLSEL modules are programmed locally with settings stored in up to 32 memory locations (we might up this to 64 to be compatible with WMD SSM module). The stored settings may be recalled locally using the SELECT CV input and SELECT panel control, and globally using the SELECT Bus. In other words, it is possible to modulate the presets of many CTRLSEL modules simultaneously as well as modulating the preset of a single CTRLSEL module independently. Therefore you could use just one CTRLSEL-V all by itself or you could use several independently or together on the bus. You do not need the bus to use the CTRLSEL-V, but it is fun

CTRLSEL-G
The G is for Global. This module allows for analog access to the SELECT Bus and the CLOCK Bus for simultaneous control of multiple CTRLSEL modules. The SELECT panel control provides manual global selection of memory location. The SELECT CV inputs allow for analog modulation of the presets, as well as chaining multiple SELECT Busses together for global control of several cases. The SELECT Bus output allows for sharing the SELECT Bus amongst cases. The CLOCK Bus inputs and outputs allow for combining and sharing the CLOCKs globally. The CLOCK inputs have schmitt trigger action that makes it possible to use just about any clock signal globally in the CTRLSEL system. We will also be supporting the digital protocol that Macro Machines and WMD have decided to use.

CTRLSEL-V
The V is for Voltage. CTRLSEL-V allows for programming of parameter settings and modulation. It stores 32 versions of 3 channels of voltages. Each channel may have the following parameters programmed and stored for recall.

FUNCtion selects type of voltage: DC Voltage, Quantized Voltage, Triangle LFO, Ramp Up LFO, Ramp Down LFO, Square LFO, Stepped Random, Smooth Random.
TIME sets rate of change in the FUNCtion.
AMPlitude sets the level or depth of the FUNCtion
OFFset raises or lowers the FUNCtion by up to 5VDC

CTRLSEL modules are being designed for storage and recall of clocking configurations, sequences and quantization and more.

Production and Pricing TBD

[makenoise]

Hey! Can somebody shine some light on what pin the CTRLSEL modules are using for its control signals? Since MakeNoise supply an 10Pin flying bus board cable with their systems I was wondering how they access the Internal Gate and Internal CV which is normally located on top of the busboard and only accessed if you have an 16Pin cable!?

This is true, we do supply 10 pin cables with most modules. These modules are not going to be on the Select Bus. These new storage modules such as the CTRLSEL-V will use 16 pin connectors so they could communicate on both the Select Bus (digital or analog) and the Clock Bus.

If your case does not have these bus lines, no worries, you could still use the CTRLSEL-V by patching to the SELECT CV input, or manually turning the SELECT panel control.

DOes that make sense?

T

[adolfgottmann]

It sounds wonderful, but I don't really understand how it works... I think a video demo would clarify things a lot.

[Summa]

Hey! Can somebody shine some light on what pin the CTRLSEL modules are using for its control signals? Since MakeNoise supply an 10Pin flying bus board cable with their systems I was wondering how they access the Internal Gate and Internal CV which is normally located on top of the busboard and only accessed if you have an 16Pin cable!?

This is true, we do supply 10 pin cables with most modules. These modules are not going to be on the Select Bus. These new storage modules such as the CTRLSEL-V will use 16 pin connectors so they could communicate on both the Select Bus (digital or analog) and the Clock Bus.

If your case does not have these bus lines, no worries, you could still use the CTRLSEL-V by patching to the SELECT CV input, or manually turning the SELECT panel control.

DOes that make sense?

T

Thanks Tony! It does and I'm glad I opted for 16 Pin Male-Connectors for my DIY flying bus boards as they now will work as expected!

I'm pretty sure it'll take some time for people to wrap their head around what the possibilities are with the CTRLSEL modules but for me I got it as I've been trying to build something to utilize the BUS CV/Gate to use with my live performance and this is just simply great news, I just have to start refrain to them as Select and Clock

[makenoise]

Thanks Tony! It does and I'm glad I opted for 16 Pin Male-Connectors for my DIY flying bus boards as they now will work as expected!

I'm pretty sure it'll take some time for people to wrap their head around what the possibilities are with the CTRLSEL modules but for me I got it as I've been trying to build something to utilize the BUS CV/Gate to use with my live performance and this is just simply great news, I just have to start refrain to them as Select and Clock

Yeah SELECT and CLOCK!

Oh yeah, I discussed the CLOCK Bus with Dan from 4ms and I want you all to think about this for just a moment:

Power on your system, and every one of your 4ms clocking modules, you RCD, SCM, PEG and etc... all sync'd to your master clock without any patch cables, mults or stack cables used.

I think I convinced Dan from 4ms to use the normalization/ switch on the jacks to pipe in the Master Clock on the CLOCK bus to the Clock Inputs on his modules. That means you power up and your RCD and SCM are already firing away, ready to be patched out into the system. If you don't want them on the Master CLOCK bus, then just patch another clock into the Clock input locally (on the module) and you're off the bus 8_)

Tell Dan from 4ms you want this! He just might do it.

[makenoise]

It sounds wonderful, but I don't really understand how it works... I think a video demo would clarify things a lot.

Soon we will publish some good demo videos. I promise.

I think this type of module will be useful live mostly. For studio and just plain fun at home, there is still nothing like the immediacy of the analog UI found on MATHS, Wogglebug and nearly every other LFO, Envelope, Random Voltage generator.

ALSO, while Sonic State skipped our booth this yr. (a real shame right) Gino Robair from Elecrtronic Musician DID make it by and he took some good video that should surface soon.

T

[bsmith]

Wow cool, so will this system and the macro machines one be complimentary - has a shared standard been discussed?

[bendedavis]

Wow cool, so will this system and the macro machines one be complimentary - has a shared standard been discussed?

Yep, we're working out all the details now before either of our products are released to ensure everything is compatible.

[bsmith]

[makenoise]

Wow cool, so will this system and the macro machines one be complimentary - has a shared standard been discussed?

That's the idea.

[mgeddesgengras]

have to say this was the most exciting thing i saw at NAMM from the perspective of someone who tours/performs live primarily with a eurorack instrument. the idea of combining this with something like the WMD sequential switch matrix or a-152 is pretty MINDBOGGLING as well. here's another vote for standards for bus communication, i don't see how anyone loses in that & i think it could be the next evolutionary step for euro.

[kuxaan-sum]

Oh yeah, I discussed the CLOCK Bus with Dan from 4ms and I want you all to think about this for just a moment:

Power on your system, and every one of your 4ms clocking modules, you RCD, SCM, PEG and etc... all sync'd to your master clock without any patch cables, mults or stack cables used.

I think I convinced Dan from 4ms to use the normalization/ switch on the jacks to pipe in the Master Clock on the CLOCK bus to the Clock Inputs on his modules. That means you power up and your RCD and SCM are already firing away, ready to be patched out into the system. If you don't want them on the Master CLOCK bus, then just patch another clock into the Clock input locally (on the module) and you're off the bus 8_)

Tell Dan from 4ms you want this! He just might do it.

[Summa]

Wow cool, so will this system and the macro machines one be complimentary - has a shared standard been discussed?

That's the idea.

and I hope more manufacturers jump on this train, I could see how almost all could benefit from this but some more than others.. Intellijel and ModCan just to name a couple of random ( ) Canadians...

[craigie77]

Any chance tony you could do a "flying bus board" type of tning for the folks who dont have the make noise bus

[bendedavis]

Any chance tony you could do a "flying bus board" type of tning for the folks who dont have the make noise bus

This new standard uses the existing CV/GATE rails on most busboards

[craigie77]

Dont have that either mate,
Just got a ross lamond case with a tip top power supply

No cv gate bus

[bendedavis]

Dont have that either mate,
Just got a ross lamond case with a tip top power supply

No cv gate bus

If you have the tiptop busboards then you have cv/gate rails. It's the top 2 rails of a 16pin power connector.

[craigie77]

Im a bit of a noob bud, are you referribg to the flying bus board

So the ctrl sel v and g use 16 pin connectors insread of the 10 everyone else seems to use
So attaching this to the power bu the cv gate thing is taken care of

So a flying bus board and any other module that uses 16 pin connectors will be conected to a global cv gate bus

[bendedavis]

Im a bit of a noob bud, are you referribg to the flying bus board

So the ctrl sel v and g use 16 pin connectors insread of the 10 everyone else seems to use
So attaching this to the power bu the cv gate thing is taken care of

So a flying bus board and any other module that uses 16 pin connectors will be conected to a global cv gate bus

Yep, the CTRLSEL modules as well as the modules being developed by Macro Machines all use 16 pin power in order to tap into the cv/gate rails so that no additional connections are needed to chain multiple units together.

[craigie77]

Awesome,,,,,,,,, why the fuck arent you guys working on world hunger and cures for cancer

[rasseru]

brilliant idea everyone

[Matos]

So excited everyone's coming together to create a unified standard. Take your time boys. This is a huge step forward and something eurorack needs. High fives and hugs all around!

[craigie77]

Like one big happy family

And ignatus can be the "dodgy uncle"