The MOON increases its sequencer power

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The MOON increases its sequencer power

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Without any teasing or big advance notice, MOON Modular starts with a Big Bang at the superbooth 23: :yay:

M 569 E Quad Voltage Store Expander
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M 569 C Row Mode Controller
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Infos from MOON's website http://www.lunar-experience.com/sequencers.html

M 569 E Quad Voltage Store Expander
The 569 E is a four-row/32 steps expander module for the 569 Sequencer. It expands the 569 sequencer by 4 x 8 control voltage dials of which two rows can be combined to sum their corresponding output voltages.

This way you can control the voltages in defined steps to set precise sequences on the fly. The four “Voltage Dial Resolution” dials on the left side specify the quantized ranges of the voltage controllers in three ways."

M 569 C Row Mode Controller
The 569 Quad Sequential Voltage Source now reaches its version 2.0. The main differences to the original 569 lie “under the hood”.

Enhancement #1: it can “speak” to the 569 E Quad Voltage Store Expander.

Enhancement #2: it can be expanded by the 569 C Row Mode Controller. This module allows to assign up to three special functions to defined steps of a sequence:

1. Control voltage
2. Gate-on time
3. Clock division
4. Clock multiplication (aka “ratchet”) 5. The transpose input of the 569 can be switched on and off per row.

Enhancement #3: it can be expanded by up to two 565 D quantizer controller module


With all previous expanders....what a huge sequencer monster does Gerd Jalass create there?! :woah: :hail:
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D'OH!!! You beat by seconds, Ricochet! 😹 I'll delete/clear mine . . maybe a moderator can delete it?
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JohnLRice wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 2:52 am D'OH!!! You beat by seconds, Ricochet! 😹
oooh, sorry for that, John :doh:

it was not my intention :hail:


...but you beat the Germans yesterday :boat: :boat:

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Ricochet wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 3:50 am ...but you beat the Germans yesterday :boat: :boat:
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Last night, this inspired me to try to patch my Moon stuff in ways that eliminate the "need" for any of this, and it was both super fun and somewhat frustrating. That Row Mode controller does some sneaky stuffs, doesn't it?

The one thing I have wanted since day one is of course the option to self-transpose. I probably patched Row4 voltage to Transpose within ten minutes of owning the 569 - a visceral disappointment.
Some of the other things it does can be achieved with creative (or even just 'old school') patching, but I assure you I don't mind every kind of shortcut (I don't use Assembly to write emails).
Ratcheting, for instance: I don't have a clock multiplier in 5U, but I do have the Octal Clock and a switch. However, these are often crucial for other things in my patches, so I usually patch in the Doepfer A-160. I have made a couple of 1/4" <-> 1/8" multiples from some blanks and almost always mix in some Eurorack with my 5U, but it's only 'cool' because it provides a result. I'd use the hell out of M569C ratcheting.

I never thought about needing a Voltage Dial Resolution knob, but now I do.

Anyway, I'm not going to expand my sequencer rack for a while. I haven't BEGUN to exhaust my possibilities. I am pretty sure I have more gear collecting dust because of some (imaginary) annoyance than everything Ultravox brought on their first tour.

One thing I would have wanted for an upgraded M569, if Gert had asked me, would have been to be able to switch off the quantiser for ranges other than the full 10V. You know, for accuracy. I don't like patching a quantised signal into a quantiser, and I also don't like to try to dial in a semitone or any small change with a resolution like looking through the wrong end of the binoculars. Think of the bottom row on the Doepfer A-155.

blablablabla I'm sorry for all the typing. I'm weaning myself off social media and I'm afraid that means my pointless urge to SAY SOMETHING gets satisfied here and on a few other forums. I'm working on it.

Great effort from the Moon, though, I am impressed.

Can a v1 M569 be modified to understand the new expanders, do you think?
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Hovmod wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 5:59 am
Can a v1 M569 be modified to understand the new expanders, do you think?
I've emailed Moon to ask but no response yet.
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ratchet wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 8:11 am
Hovmod wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 5:59 am
Can a v1 M569 be modified to understand the new expanders, do you think?
I've emailed Moon to ask but no response yet.
Gert had mentioned to me earlier this year that one of the design goals with the new 569 stuff was that all current owners of the 569 should be able to upgrade theirs to be able to use the new modules/features and I would suspect that would be as simple as removing the main board and installing the new one? I haven't heard if this is still the case and when it will be available and how much it will cost.
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Hovmod wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 5:59 am The one thing I have wanted since day one is of course the option to self-transpose. I probably patched Row4 voltage to Transpose within ten minutes of owning the 569 - a visceral disappointment.
Using row 4 to transpose the other rows is indeed a great feature! :party:



Hovmod wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 5:59 amOne thing I would have wanted for an upgraded M569, if Gert had asked me, would have been to be able to switch off the quantiser for ranges other than the full 10V. You know, for accuracy. I don't like patching a quantised signal into a quantiser, and I also don't like to try to dial in a semitone or any small change with a resolution like looking through the wrong end of the binoculars. T

Gert has never confirmed this that I remember but I've long assumed that the default range is 10v unquantized and it's the quantizer circuit that limits the ranges to 5v or 2v, so there is no simple way to just turn off quantization for the 5v and 2v ranges? :hmm:
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