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MindMachine wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:22 pm I also have orange and red. I should open them all up and see what is inside. To be honest, I've never noticed a difference. But these are all very old and have likely been changed over the years before I got them. Interesting.
Don't try to open them. They're real easy to break and you can simply measure them with a meter. No need to open.
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I wonder whats's the wait time for a Synthi or VCS3 currently? Any news about it?
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Robin told me in June that it is about 4 years for both.
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sounds good maybe i will join the list again for a vcs3 I bought a pin portabella in 2021 an its great but one of the final vcs3 would be cool
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KSS wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:10 pm
MindMachine wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:22 pm I also have orange and red. I should open them all up and see what is inside. To be honest, I've never noticed a difference. But these are all very old and have likely been changed over the years before I got them. Interesting.
Don't try to open them. They're real easy to break and you can simply measure them with a meter. No need to open.
Thank you for the concern and heads-up on measurement. I opened many of them years ago. I found a couple de-soldered and set them aside. I think many have been reworked and I don't think the color codes make any sense. Some are old school resistors and some are newer. I should look and see what values they all are. I can't imagine my unit being much better, but I may have overlooked a most simple aspect.
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KSS wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:10 pm
MindMachine wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:22 pm I also have orange and red. I should open them all up and see what is inside. To be honest, I've never noticed a difference. But these are all very old and have likely been changed over the years before I got them. Interesting.
Don't try to open them. They're real easy to break and you can simply measure them with a meter. No need to open.
I have opened up a lot of pins, old and new, never have I ever seen one that seemed easy to break. They were made to be unscrewed, opened up and messed around with if need be.
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1kip wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:36 pm Robin told me in June that it is about 4 years for both.
Know that all of his time estimates are off by years. When I joined the waiting list for a VCS3 in 2012 he said the wait time was 18 months, and it was not delivered until this year, 2022.
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Siren wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:19 pm
KSS wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:10 pm Don't try to open them. They're real easy to break and you can simply measure them with a meter. No need to open.
I have opened up a lot of pins, old and new, never have I ever seen one that seemed easy to break. They were made to be unscrewed, opened up and messed around with if need be.
Great -for you- that you haven't run into the ones which are glued shut!
That they *do* exist and *have* cost people -besides you- both money and loss of time, i'll stick to my recommendation.
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I've also have never had a problem with unscrewing the Sealectro pins. The plastic cover unscrews smoothly from the metal shaft without much force needed. If someone has superglued a pin then of course that's a different scenario, but in general they loosen and tighten with ease,

Can't speak for Ghielmetti pins which the above images show.
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Yes. The Sealectros pins have not typically been a problem. The Ghilmettis have been arriving with glued caps from the factory which *is* a surprise to those used to Sealectros and led to the results shown in the pics. <--Someone expecting them to unscrew and they didn't.
I have seen Sealectro's also glued but it was a really long time ago and not common.

The intended takeaway of my posts is to have the possibility of them being glued in your mind so you don't just try harder to unscrew them.
Ghilmetti now has to be asked *not* to glue them. It probably has something to do with swallow-able parts or some other safety regulation.
Could also be a veiled attempt to keep their pins from being modified which could come back to become service or 'optics' problems for them.
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Aren't the Ghielmetti pins incompatible with the matrices used on EMS gear?
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KSS wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:21 am Yes. The Sealectros pins have not typically been a problem. The Ghilmettis have been arriving with glued caps from the factory which *is* a surprise to those used to Sealectros and led to the results shown in the pics. <--Someone expecting them to unscrew and they didn't.
I have seen Sealectro's also glued but it was a really long time ago and not common.

The intended takeaway of my posts is to have the possibility of them being glued in your mind so you don't just try harder to unscrew them.
Ghilmetti now has to be asked *not* to glue them. It probably has something to do with swallow-able parts or some other safety regulation.
Could also be a veiled attempt to keep their pins from being modified which could come back to become service or 'optics' problems for them.
Ok, I was strictly talking about Sealectro pins. It’s even encouraged in the Synthi manual to open the pins up.
Can’t speak for Ghielmetti, I thought they were only used for modern clones , and also old Maplin and such?
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mrfang wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:25 pm Aren't the Ghielmetti pins incompatible with the matrices used on EMS gear?
Topic here on Pins with Graham Hinton's info: viewtopic.php?t=158683

Yup, they are essentially incompatible. Sealectro or bust!
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I knew -from Hinton- that Robin was re-making Sealectro style pins. I did not realize that he was also re-making Sealectro matrices. Or sitting on a large enough NOS pile to fulfill all present and future orders. I incorrectly believed the Cornwall EMS were using 16x16 Ghilmettis Robin was having specially made.

I will still choose to use a meter rather than open patchpins unless they are to be changed. It won't hurt to keep the glued possibilty in mind if they do not unscrew easily.
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The ohmmeter is the only reliable way to know an old resistor's exact value.
The actual value may differ significantly from the nominal value indicated by the color code of the stripes.
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I'm not a synths dealer and don't know of any cheap Synthi secret market.
I don't offer support for attempts to build clones of EMS equipment.
Please don't ask, thanks.
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mrfang wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:23 am
1kip wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:36 pm Robin told me in June that it is about 4 years for both.
Know that all of his time estimates are off by years. When I joined the waiting list for a VCS3 in 2012 he said the wait time was 18 months, and it was not delivered until this year, 2022.
Yeah, I went on the list in 2012, too and he says I'm about a year out still. Unless he intends to really ramp up production or people start dropping off the list like flies if and when the Behringer clone comes out, I would look at four years as a very optimistic timeline.
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there will be no fuckinger vcs3 its a fake for sure
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EMS manufacture both new pins and the matrix. I recently obtained both for a project I am working on. The matrix is perfect and must take some effort to produce. I am not surprised building a new VCS3 or Synthi can take a long time.

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looks great but I'd prefer a ghielmetti for new projects
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