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The LEDs on the faders also stay off until you pick up control of the param. So it's easy to see if touching a fader is going to do something.
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Not willing to be a party killer but for live use it might get troublesome in my opinion. I like the behavior as it is in the studio for its accuracy and convenience but you’ll need to « reset » the slider position to reach the current value, on potentially the 4 sliders which is far to be as immediate as we would need in live use. And also be careful not to slide it « too far » in order to prevent a too drastic drift. Kind of clumsy for live…
The CV / user pot workaround can help but it’s not ideal neither.
All that said it’s not impossible to use it live but requires attention, some accuracy and good eyes with the small sized screen.
Probably not my first choice for live use… (except in polyphonic mode where all envelopes have the same settings, then it’s actually pretty cool because no jump possible and the sliders are more handy than potentiometers)
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The cv/knob control are great for drastic changes.
The way the sliders work are great for subtle changes.

Module already has the best of both worlds.
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Decdog wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:08 am Have been eyeing this little guy! One thing I noticed from the manual is that the behaviour of sliders is that no change happens until the slider passes the saved state of whatever parameter you are editing. On some of my synths (Minilogue, Minitaur) there is a 'scaled' mode (they call it different things) where basically any movement of the knob/slider as you move it will result in an audible change. This is really great when performing live, if you are switching between different patches on your unit, and you want to know that your tweaking will result in something.
The concept seems attractive, however it has its limits.
When coming back to a parameter (A) that was set halfway, after another parameter change (B) put the slider full down; how do you now apply a decrease of the setting (A) since you would have to push the slider down??
I don't see how that could be solved. :hmm:
How is that scenario handled on the Moog machines you mention?
Any chance of getting this through a firmware update at some point? maybe at least for the 'Live' setting? (where maybe processing power is more available?)
The answer so far is "dunno" ;)
There seems to be a conceptual issue.
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Jee wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:44 pm ...
I like the behavior as it is in the studio for its accuracy and convenience but you’ll need to « reset » the slider position to reach the current value, on potentially the 4 sliders which is far to be as immediate as we would need in live use. And also be careful not to slide it « too far » in order to prevent a too drastic drift. Kind of clumsy for live…
With a default setting of 30 seconds per envelope phase, being precise for short timings and avoid sudden jumps when the slider "catches" the current value is indeed not ideal.
This is why, where other EGs have a switch for duration ranges, the Quadigy has a Global Time setting. 8-)
This acts as the aforementioned switch, except that it is continuous (and per envelope/per preset).
It goes from 0% to 800% (100% being the 30sec max); so practically, the maximum duration for the 5 time setting (Hold, Attack, etc) can be adjusted between instant and 240 sec.
If for example you design some short percussive sound, you can limit the Global Time to 10%, to match the duration of the longest segment(s) needed (here: Decay and Release).
You will then have your sliders offering 3 seconds over their entire travel.
This way, slightly jumping over a previous setting when moving the slider will not destroy your setting as if GT was at 100%. :tu:
In conclusion, to ease you life, think of adjusting Global Time first to fit the purpose. ;)
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Zentek wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:06 am
Jee wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:44 pm ...
I like the behavior as it is in the studio for its accuracy and convenience but you’ll need to « reset » the slider position to reach the current value, on potentially the 4 sliders which is far to be as immediate as we would need in live use. And also be careful not to slide it « too far » in order to prevent a too drastic drift. Kind of clumsy for live…
With a default setting of 30 seconds per envelope phase, being precise for short timings and avoid sudden jumps when the slider "catches" the current value is indeed not ideal.
This is why, where other EGs have a switch for duration ranges, the Quadigy has a Global Time setting. 8-)
This acts as the aforementioned switch, except that it is continuous (and per envelope/per preset).
It goes from 0% to 800% (100% being the 30sec max); so practically, the maximum duration for the 5 time setting (Hold, Attack, etc) can be adjusted between instant and 240 sec.
If for example you design some short percussive sound, you can limit the Global Time to 10%, to match the duration of the longest segment(s) needed (here: Decay and Release).
You will then have your sliders offering 3 seconds over their entire travel.
This way, slightly jumping over a previous setting when moving the slider will not destroy your setting as if GT was at 100%. :tu:
In conclusion, to ease you life, think of adjusting Global Time first to fit the purpose. ;)
Fantastic advice. I just tried adjusting the GT to 25% and I am blown away by the super tight pizzicato sounds I am getting. Thanks for the tip!
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Firmware update 1.23 is now available. :party:
It brings a couple of fixes and subtle improvements.

You'll find it on the Klavis Quadigy page
Hold pressing the Preset and CV buttons while switching on the case.
Play the audio file into CV input A and that's it!

Thank to Rainer for the feedback :tu:
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I just got one of these and I’m pretty fucking impressed. One of the best user interfaces I’ve come across in a digital module with a screen and menu system.

The feature set/firmware is just perfect. Absolutely perfect. Every feature solves a musical problem, nothing is wasted.
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There's one more feature I would love to see: locking the interface, like with the Twin Waves. Suggestion: just press and hold any two envelope selection buttons for a second to lock all controls except the User modulation pot, and you can't mess your settings anymore by a dangling loop of cable or fat fingers.
I admit that this locking feature has become second nature using my Twin Waves. Not that I'm a clumsy guy, but it keeps me from changing something without thinking twice, which is essential while aiming for a specific sound design. Some of these sounds totally fail to work when a modulation frequency only changed by 0.5Hz. And envelope settings can be nearly equally sensitive.
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sir stony wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:35 am There's one more feature I would love to see: locking the interface, like with the Twin Waves. Suggestion: just press and hold any two envelope selection buttons for a second to lock all controls except the User modulation pot, and you can't mess your settings anymore by a dangling loop of cable or fat fingers.
I admit that this locking feature has become second nature using my Twin Waves. Not that I'm a clumsy guy, but it keeps me from changing something without thinking twice, which is essential while aiming for a specific sound design. Some of these sounds totally fail to work when a modulation frequency only changed by 0.5Hz. And envelope settings can be nearly equally sensitive.
Thank you for the idea of locking for the Quadigy which makes sense.
Unfortunately, it cannot be done as in the Twin Waves; on the Quadigy the system of holding several envelope selection buttons at once is used to perform parallel editing to all selected. There would be no way to differentiate the two type of actions...
We'll see if there's another way to implement that function without messing with the current user interface.
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Noob question here so be gentle .. Im triggering the Quadigy from a Ladik S-090 and was expecting the Quadigy to trigger once everytime it receives a trigger but it cycles the envelope even when cycle is set to off ? I've set Fill to 100% and to Envelope timing to no avail ... any help would be appreciated.
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MattyB23 wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:38 pm Noob question here so be gentle .. Im triggering the Quadigy from a Ladik S-090 and was expecting the Quadigy to trigger once everytime it receives a trigger but it cycles the envelope even when cycle is set to off ? I've set Fill to 100% and to Envelope timing to no avail ... any help would be appreciated.
The Quadigy cannot cycle when cycle is off.
If the cycle LED is blinking, cycle is on somewhere.
Remember that cycle can be put on/off independently for each envelope.
You could select all four sections, then go to cycle to set it off for all of them at once.
Hope this helps.
have a good time.

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Thanks Eric all is now working well.
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Is there a way to fine adjust the value set by a slider?
For example, I'm trying to set the punch in single digit increments and it takes a few gentle taps in either direction to land on the setting I'm looking for.

Apologies if this is answered but I didn't find it in a search or in the manual.
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akavalve wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:59 am Is there a way to fine adjust the value set by a slider?
For example, I'm trying to set the punch in single digit increments and it takes a few gentle taps in either direction to land on the setting I'm looking for.

Apologies if this is answered but I didn't find it in a search or in the manual.
Not exactly what you’re looking for but if you reduce the global time parameter, the parameter ranges scale down so it gives you finer control?
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ronnieb wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:01 am
akavalve wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:59 am Is there a way to fine adjust the value set by a slider?
For example, I'm trying to set the punch in single digit increments and it takes a few gentle taps in either direction to land on the setting I'm looking for.

Apologies if this is answered but I didn't find it in a search or in the manual.
Not exactly what you’re looking for but if you reduce the global time parameter, the parameter ranges scale down so it gives you finer control?
I did think of that, thanks....I was hoping there was 'fine adjust' shift key or something.
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akavalve wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:59 am Is there a way to fine adjust the value set by a slider?
For example, I'm trying to set the punch in single digit increments and it takes a few gentle taps in either direction to land on the setting I'm looking for.

Apologies if this is answered but I didn't find it in a search or in the manual.
The Quadigy's Global Time setting allows you adjusting the maximum duration per segment (pD, H, A, D, R).
By default, at 100% it gives 30sec max per segment.
If you need millisecond precision, it is likely that 30 seconds are too long :lol:
Knowing beforehand that you intend doing short envelopes, you can set the Global Time to let's say 20%, giving you 6 sec max per segment over the course of the slider.
You'll then be able to precisely set a short attack to every millisecond. :tu:

Have fun

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Got a really good deal on this from Thomann last week. 295USD shipped in 3 days to NY. So far it’s awesome.
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Zentek wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:34 pm The Quadigy's Global Time setting allows you adjusting the maximum duration per segment (pD, H, A, D, R).
By default, at 100% it gives 30sec max per segment.
If you need millisecond precision, it is likely that 30 seconds are too long :lol:
Knowing beforehand that you intend doing short envelopes, you can set the Global Time to let's say 20%, giving you 6 sec max per segment over the course of the slider.
You'll then be able to precisely set a short attack to every millisecond. :tu:

Have fun

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Sometimes it is the simple things that reveal how dim I can be...

I get so in the habit of just dialing the sliders in I forget how trivial it is to just "pop down" to global time and reset it for current situations.
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Zentek wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:34 pm The Quadigy's Global Time setting allows you adjusting the maximum duration per segment (pD, H, A, D, R).
By default, at 100% it gives 30sec max per segment.
If you need millisecond precision, it is likely that 30 seconds are too long :lol:
Knowing beforehand that you intend doing short envelopes, you can set the Global Time to let's say 20%, giving you 6 sec max per segment over the course of the slider.
You'll then be able to precisely set a short attack to every millisecond. :tu:

Have fun

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This was very helpful. I had some kind of mental block against using Global Time. It's gone now. Thanks.
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I'm going to pick up a Quadigy and after reading through this thread I realized it will be the only module I have that needs 5v. Will my TipTop Mantis handle this? Or do I need a Klavis No Drain to go with the Quadigy? Forgive my ignorance. I'm a modular noob and a lot of this stuff can get confusing.
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MrV63 wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:31 am I'm going to pick up a Quadigy and after reading through this thread I realized it will be the only module I have that needs 5v. Will my TipTop Mantis handle this? Or do I need a Klavis No Drain to go with the Quadigy? Forgive my ignorance. I'm a modular noob and a lot of this stuff can get confusing.
Mantis has 300ma of 5V. Quadigy only needs 40mA, so no problem.
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cbm wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:22 am
MrV63 wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:31 am I'm going to pick up a Quadigy and after reading through this thread I realized it will be the only module I have that needs 5v. Will my TipTop Mantis handle this? Or do I need a Klavis No Drain to go with the Quadigy? Forgive my ignorance. I'm a modular noob and a lot of this stuff can get confusing.
Mantis has 300ma of 5V. Quadigy only needs 40mA, so no problem.
Perfect. Thank you!
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While my go-to EGs are typically the AR and ASR immediacy of Quadrax, Falistri, Buchla+TTA 281t and Cosmotronic Delta-V, and I have a Zadar for "weird stuff"..... I've had Quadigy for nearly two years now, and it is the anchor for all things complex, sustained and evolving. The UI is, as someone above stated, one of the best menu-driven digital module experiences out there. To have four ADSR envelopes with such fine, detailed control and options in 14HP is amazing. My Mutable Stages is the poor outcast and is never used for envelopes anymore.
If I had to narrow all "envelope generators" dow to just 3 modules - it would Quadrax, Quadigy and Zadar.
Eric - thanks for designing such a well designed and executed module.
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