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Ableton alternative to Data Bender

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I really love the sound of the Qubit Data Bender module but I am convinced I can replicate it using Ableton Suite.

Has anyone got any convincing tricks or ideas?
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Nidopallium wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:08 am I really love the sound of the Qubit Data Bender module but I am convinced I can replicate it using Ableton Suite.

Has anyone got any convincing tricks or ideas?
I'm not intending to be rude but you really should spend some more time getting to know Live. Beat Repeat, Auto Pan, all the delays, Dynamic Tube, Echo, Erosion, Frequency Shifter, Looper, Redux, Spectral Time. Just drop 'em in the chain and go for it. You can go far beyond what Data Bender does.
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^Yeah loads of options in Live natively, especially once you start automating parameters.

And there’s always the Glitch VST in if you prefer having everything all in one plugin.
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Re: Ableton alternative to Data Bender

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dubonaire wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:30 am
Nidopallium wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:08 am I really love the sound of the Qubit Data Bender module but I am convinced I can replicate it using Ableton Suite.

Has anyone got any convincing tricks or ideas?
I'm not intending to be rude but you really should spend some more time getting to know Live. Beat Repeat, Auto Pan, all the delays, Dynamic Tube, Echo, Erosion, Frequency Shifter, Looper, Redux, Spectral Time. Just drop 'em in the chain and go for it. You can go far beyond what Data Bender does.
That didn’t come across as rude..don’t worry.

I like Beat Repeat but I never seem to get anything subtle from it. Also I can’t quite get the nice audio drop out effect using the Ableton devices, which is why I was hoping someone might share some techniques to give me a head start.
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This plug-in has a 10 day free trial and should be able to get you closer. Independent adjustments for noise, bit reduction, dropouts, flutter, etc. Magnitude slider to go from subtle to very heavy overall degradation.
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Nidopallium wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:23 am
dubonaire wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:30 am
Nidopallium wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:08 am I really love the sound of the Qubit Data Bender module but I am convinced I can replicate it using Ableton Suite.

Has anyone got any convincing tricks or ideas?
I'm not intending to be rude but you really should spend some more time getting to know Live. Beat Repeat, Auto Pan, all the delays, Dynamic Tube, Echo, Erosion, Frequency Shifter, Looper, Redux, Spectral Time. Just drop 'em in the chain and go for it. You can go far beyond what Data Bender does.
That didn’t come across as rude..don’t worry.

I like Beat Repeat but I never seem to get anything subtle from it. Also I can’t quite get the nice audio drop out effect using the Ableton devices, which is why I was hoping someone might share some techniques to give me a head start.
Can you post an example of the effect you are talking about?

I like Beat Repeat. Audio Damage has a similar but perhaps more sophisticated plugin called Replicant. And then of course there is the old favourite Glitch.
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Re: Ableton alternative to Data Bender

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What dubonaire said. Every function on Data Bender can be recreated in Live 11. There's some preset effect racks (specifically Stutter Glitch and Drum Noise) that can give you an idea of what can be done.
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Thanks.

I was thinking specifically of 7.20 in this video



PS I discovered Maria Chavez thanks to this video.
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Nidopallium wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:12 am Thanks.

I was thinking specifically of 7.20 in this video

So 2 things. Buffer addressing stuff doesn’t exist natively in Live’s effects, but does in Max for Live. An obvious one to check is Buffer Shuffler. That’s where you’ll get your buffer timeline jumps/ pitch effects and reverses, as opposed to just simple repeats, ala Beat Repeat. Also, the new Shifter effect controls pitch shifting/ warping in real-time now.

Dropout effects can be achieved with Dynamic Tube’s bias control and a Gate set before it, but I also suggest experimenting with time quantized envelope/ LFO modulation over Redux for this, as well as exploring other max for live patches to mess with bitwise/ XOR effects.
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Also, thanks for putting me up in Maria Chavez!
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You can get drop outs to silence with Beat Repeat though. You can also use gating. I agree that M4L is worth exploring.

One kind of pedantic point I have to make is that is not the aesthetics of failure, it’s very deliberate and deterministic processing. The device is not failing, it’s doing what it was designed to do. But it is imitating the aesthetics of failure and that’s fine. Actually you’ve made me interested in the module.

The aesthetics of failure is a term coined by Kim Cascone in this seminal paper https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~adnanm/DAT3 ... ascone.pdf
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Re: Ableton alternative to Data Bender

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Thanks guys. I have never used Buffer Shuffler or Shifter so plenty to experiment with.
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Scatre wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:33 am
Nidopallium wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:12 am Thanks.

I was thinking specifically of 7.20 in this video

So 2 things. Buffer addressing stuff doesn’t exist natively in Live’s effects, but does in Max for Live. An obvious one to check is Buffer Shuffler. That’s where you’ll get your buffer timeline jumps/ pitch effects and reverses, as opposed to just simple repeats, ala Beat Repeat. Also, the new Shifter effect controls pitch shifting/ warping in real-time now.

Dropout effects can be achieved with Dynamic Tube’s bias control and a Gate set before it, but I also suggest experimenting with time quantized envelope/ LFO modulation over Redux for this, as well as exploring other max for live patches to mess with bitwise/ XOR effects.
Holy smokes! Buffer Shuffler is amazing!!!! If it was a snake it would have bit me!!! Thanks for this thread everyone! :hail:
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Re: Ableton alternative to Data Bender

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Where can I find Buffer Shuffler 2.0?

UPDATE - Once I logged-in and was able to download from Abelton's site!
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