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I think the current mode switching UI is OK, mode switching is more of a meta-function than an intrinsic part of the UI so it's not something I'd want to change. Developing, testing, and deploying even a minor firmware update like this is no small task either. Thanks for the request though.
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sempervirent wrote:mode switching is more of a meta-function than an intrinsic part of the UI
That depends on the use case though, right? For instance, I have works where I switch between the granular and resonator modes mid-performance so the ability to go immediately into the mod switching state and scroll back is pretty useful. Although this sounds like a fringe case, the method itself is relatively tried and tested at this point. Seeing that how prevalent the Parasites firmware is, it's possible that more users are used to this method than not. Nevertheless, it's hard to argue against the developer not having time to invest into a UI change so I'll keep on pressing and holding in the meantime.
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Context is everything, for sure. Even so, with the Superparasites firmware, the two modes you want to access are not adjacent to each other as they are on Parasites. You would need multiple button presses, since there are 8 modes rather than the 4 from Clouds or 6 from the original Parasites.

Going backwards from Granular would switch to Spectral Clouds, and going forward from Resonestor would switch to Beat Repeat. Since the mode changes are nearly instantaneous you would have to skip the extra modes very quickly or get an unwanted audio glitch.

So then the question might be whether the modes can be arranged in a specific order... you can see how this request gets more complicated than it might seem at first.
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Right, I think that would be overkill but, nevertheless, switching into mode selection immediately and scrolling back is still faster than pressing and holding and scrolling forward. I think, more importantly, I sometimes confuse the modes and scroll over the one I am aiming for, which in this case requires going through the whole thing again rather than simply scrolling backwards. Anyhow, I was just hoping this would be something that would be easily ported over from the Parasites firmware but maybe not so.
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atrostor wrote:Anyhow, I was just hoping this would be something that would be easily ported over from the Parasites firmware but maybe not so.
Ease of porting is a separate question to whether it should be done :)
I'm agnostic about it, but it's kind of an either/or choice since I don't think supporting both navigation options (cleanly) will work. I suspect one might be able to avoid glitches during switches by only changing on release (or exit from mode selection) but it's been a while, and obviously that has the side effect of switches no longer being immediate...
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anyone heard from this sempervirant/grayscale guy lately ? he does not answer messages and has money people have given him for preorders....not cool....

Also, am i the only one who had to pay $15 for shipping 1 kit which has no eta ?

$15 shipping for 1 module is expensive..
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I think the website said “late January” for a while now so I wouldn’t call it “no eta”. When I bought mine when it was in stock, it shipped the same day and arrived two days later. The shipping did have a signature requirement, which might explain the price. This actually caused me to miss delivery so I would prefer if this was an option but maybe it’s needed for the seller to cover their bases. Either way, I think grayscale has proven itself as a reliable Eurorack brand so I wouldn’t worry about getting scammed.
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milkyjoe wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:06 pm Also, am i the only one who had to pay $15 for shipping 1 kit which has no eta ?
$15 shipping for 1 module is an intentional rip (kinda like the grayscale panels too)....
I ordered mine right before it switched to "pre-order", and received it about 2 weeks later--about 12/23.

The $15 shipping is about actual cost as he sends it signature required.
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This was a holiday weekend in the US, even us module-making androids need a break sometimes.

Preorders for assembled units will be fulfilled by the end of this week, DIY kits will be shipping next week.
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Well, i guess i don't get one now.
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aroom wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:00 am well, even if the implantation won't be perfect it would be available.

and it will be up to the user to choose to use it or not. not a big deal.

it's a matter of choice and opportunity.
I would also really love to have this option. I built a very small skiff with only a Expert Sleepers Little Mikey, 2HP Delay, Microcells and Audio out and I would LOVE to bring some randomness into the Microcell without any LFOs and so on at my disposal if I don't have any of my racks with me.
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milkyjoe wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:52 am Well, i guess i don't get one now.
Hey man, take a deep breath and realize that all of the small manufacturers are not Walmart. They take holidays, have lives and for the very most part do a great job. As far as shipping goes, you can go on line and compare shipping costs between USPS, UPS, etc. They are all expensive over a few ounces.

Hoping that you get one soon.

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Thanx mindMachine , do you have a microcell ?

do you like it /if you dont, are you interested in it .

kinda wondering why you are here and also digging up my past possi=blyshitshow posts......

Have i been abusive by asking questions ?

btw, i am not a troll. i openely admit to being bad at social interactions (and spelling words :bang: ).
I am aware that some could miscunstrue my intentions due to my inept soclial skills and problems with getting frustrated sometimes(after spending multiple hours troubleshooting based on a manufacturers comments).

so why are you following up on my past posts so much ? for real, do you want to be friends, or are you trolling me ?
Strange behaviour here.....

I am a very open minded person and believe in peace. I will admit to being wrong if you make a good claim.
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Take it to the PMs please.
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very funny you say that sempervirent.
you don't reply through email or pm..who is trolling here ? :sstorm:

i have absolutely nothing to hide grayscale...but you seem to, very much so....

this is a perfect example of how you conduct business and public humiliation just aint the way to go...
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MIcrocells are back in stock. This pandemic has made sourcing and manufacturing a bit of a challenge but things seem to be back up and running for now. I'm working through the backlog this evening so if you're waiting on a preorder you can expect tracking info within the next 24h.

Also wanted to share this excellent video from sound designer Omri Cohen which covers each of the eight DSP modes from "SuperParasites" and gets into some really beautiful soundscapes at times. 26+ minutes, no talking, just sound.

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I have a question about the Aux input on microcell. The Supercell manual explains that an internal random CV generator is normalized into 9 parameters. Supercell has CV attenuators on these inputs, so you can access this random CV easily. It explains how patching to the Aux input overrides the internal random CV, as well as how to change the rate of the internal random CV and even turn it off.

My question is: How does this work in microcell, which doesn't have the attenuators? Is there an internal random CV? Also, I'd like to know the list of parameters that receive CV from the Aux input.

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Sure, the randomization can be activated on Microcell. By default, it's turned off. Press and hold both the IN and OUT mute switches for a few seconds, you will hear the randomization engage. Do the same thing to deactivate. It works just like Supercell, but the modulation is applied maximally to all of the DSP parameters simultaneously. This is obviously a limitation of the form factor, but there wasn't a good reason to disable the feature entirely.

All nine of the DSP parameters are modulation targets, i.e. all of the knobs other than the Input and Output gain (which are analog).

The AUX input operates in the same way on both modules:

- Supercell: Internal random CV > AUX input > CV attenuators > target DSP params
- Microcell: Internal random CV > AUX input > target DSP params

Also on both modules:

- Patching into AUX disconnects the internal random CV, if enabled (because this CV is routed to AUX first, then distributed to the DSP params)
- Patching into any DSP parameter jack disconnects the AUX signal (whether that's external CV or the internal random CV)

If you want to patch some external CV into AUX on Microcell, it's a good idea to route it through an attenuator first. Or patch it through a VCA and modulate the VCA gain for controlled bursts of modulation. If you don't want the AUX signal (or the internal random) to be routed to a given DSP parameter, patch a cable into that parameter's CV input but leave the other end unpatched, this will disconnect the AUX normalization.
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sempervirent wrote: Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:04 pm Sure, the randomization can be activated on Microcell. By default, it's turned off.
Wow! For some reason I thought it just wasn't available on Microcell.

Thanks for asking that one Pugix! :yay:

And a big thanks also for the answer sempervirent. I sometimes miss key details like that when trying to figure out how a module works by reading the user guides for the modules/firmware that were the inspiration. Will Microcell get its own full set of documentation one day?
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Yeah it's turned off by default, it was all too easy to imagine people powering up the module for the first time and thinking that something's badly wrong because every parameter is being heavily modulated at random.

Someone has actually put together a Superparasites user manual already and submitted it for approval, I just haven't been able to prioritize making it polished enough for a formal release. I have to rewrite some of the text and update the illustrations. And then make an identical version for Supercell. It's a solid 2-3 days of design work but hopefully I'll get around to it soon.
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sempervirent wrote: Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:23 pm Yeah it's turned off by default, it was all too easy to imagine people powering up the module for the first time and thinking that something's badly wrong because every parameter is being heavily modulated at random.
Yeah, having it off with that in mind makes sense. With me being "easily confused" I would have been one of the first ones to contact you about a faulty module.
sempervirent wrote: Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:23 pm It's a solid 2-3 days of design work but hopefully I'll get around to it soon.
Totally understand. In a former life I used to code business software and do tech writing. The documentation ended up taking longer than the application development in many cases. Believe me I'll muddle through! In this case Me is my own worst enemy since I have no previous knowledge of the original Clouds or the alternate software. :huh:
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In an effort to figure out my Microcell I've put together a series of 1-sheet quick guides mashing together the documentation for parasites, clouds, and the Kammerl modes. This is just for me, to try and help me make sense of this thing. I'd welcome any feedback anyone can offer—particularly if I've completely misinterpreted anything! Here's a link to the document in my google drive if anyone is interested in taking a look.

Cheers

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acmesound wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:39 pm In an effort to figure out my Microcell I've put together a series of 1-sheet quick guides mashing together the documentation for parasites, clouds, and the Kammerl modes. This is just for me, to try and help me make sense of this thing. I'd welcome any feedback anyone can offer—particularly if I've completely misinterpreted anything—I am having the most trouble parsing the beat repeat mode! Here's a link to the document in my google drive if anyone is interested in taking a look:

Cheers
Hi.

I’m still new enough to the module that I can’t critique the specifics, but just wanted to say thanks for doing this...going to be really useful for me and I’m sure others. I’m underusing my micro atm, and it’s one of a few modules I need to explore more. This will help enormously,

GJ :yay:
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Wow, nice work – similar to the unfinished manual that I mentioned above. I will check this out in detail and will probably look into merging some of this into what's already been done (will PM to talk about giving you credit of course).
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