ES-9 & MIDI

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ES-9 & MIDI

Post by bennytom » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:30 pm

Is it possible to send midi data from Ableton to my Eurorack setup with the ES-9? I want to be able to key in notes on Ableton and have them play from my Eurorack modules, just as you would with a standard midi hardware synth or a VST.

If it's not possible, how could I do it? what modules would I need etc?

Forgive me if this is a dumb q, I'm pretty new to Eurorack!

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by bennytom » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:37 pm

I should also add that midi wouldn't matter to me if I was somehow able to send note data from Ableton over CV to my Eurorack with the ES-9, enabling me to key in chords/notes on Ableton in standard midi clips and have them play on eurorack. I don't know if that's possible or not but yeah....

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by os » Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:41 am

Yes, that's one of the primary purposes of the module. Used in conjunction with Silent Way, or Live's CV Tools, you can do exactly that.

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by Switchzik » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:53 am

Hello,

Back to the original topic, I would like to use the ES-9 with my ipad.
Use the es-9 input as an audio interface - and do the mix on the ipad - and use the midi breakout for sequencing with midi.
What I don't understand is, can I use the ES-9 output for CV (from midi note) out or do I need to plug the midi out from the breakout to another midi to cv module ?

in short, do I need another module than the ES-9 + midi breakout to do midi to cv sequencing.

Thanks !

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by os » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:10 am

You don't need another module, but you do need software on the iPad to convert MIDI to CV.

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by Switchzik » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:49 am

Ok, but what is the midi breakout for ?
if I plug a midi cable in the midi in and run a sequencer with a midi app on the iPad, do I get CV out on the es-9 ? Do it a t as a midi to CV converter ?

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by os » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:55 am

No, the ES-9 is not a MIDI/CV converter. The MIDI breakout is to provide MIDI i/o to your DAW.

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by Switchzik » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:04 pm

Ok thanks !
So if I understood correctly. I can plug the midi out from the breakout to another midi to CV module and run the midi sequence by plugging the USB to the es-9.
The midi will be pass to the breakout to the midi to CV module.
Sounds great !

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by os » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:46 pm

That will work, yes, but as I say if you do the MIDI/CV in software you can avoid having to have an additional module.

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by Switchzik » Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:09 pm

Thanks for taking time to explain :tu:

The problem is that there is almost no CV sequencer on iOS, mostly midi. That's why.

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by escargot » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:10 am

os wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:46 pm
That will work, yes, but as I say if you do the MIDI/CV in software you can avoid having to have an additional module.
does it support polyphony? can silent way or cv tools sequence/play 8 notes which ES9 can send to play polyphony in the modular? thanks

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by os » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:37 am

Silent Way does polyphony - not sure about CV Tools.

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by ronnieb » Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:43 am

CV tools doesn't atm but you can somewhat work around that.

Haven't tried it yet but my next plan is to use this hocketing device https://maxforlive.com/library/device/6431/hocket
Seems like a realatively easy way around it.

That being said, the more I try to avoid silent way (didn't gel so well with the UI), the more I realise it's so much more robust than CV tools.

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by bhenry1790 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:48 pm

Everyone with a DC coupled audio interface should buy Silent Way.

Take a look at the tools I've created (or hacked the standard CV Tools) for the ES expanders. I made one do 4 voice Polyphony on the ESX-8CV. Output 1 sends out Pitch, Output 2 sends out an envelope (you can modify for a gate). Give it a whirl if you have the expanders.

https://maxforlive.com/profile/user/bhenry1790

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by ForAiur » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:12 am

So if I add the MIDI-Breakout I can use the ES-9 as I can use let's say a Steinberg UR 242? Use the inputs as audio inputs to record and with the same device send Midi from Ableton the let's say the black sequencer? Because I had to use the UR242 instead of the ES-9 because for the first time I wanted to send a midi start clock into my modular and the ES-9 wasn't able to do that (I guess it could do that over CV tools but I also want to use it from the iPad).

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by os » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:19 am

Yes.

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by ronnieb » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:21 am

ForAiur wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:12 am
So if I add the MIDI-Breakout I can use the ES-9 as I can use let's say a Steinberg UR 242? Use the inputs as audio inputs to record and with the same device send Midi from Ableton the let's say the black sequencer? Because I had to use the UR242 instead of the ES-9 because for the first time I wanted to send a midi start clock into my modular and the ES-9 wasn't able to do that (I guess it could do that over CV tools but I also want to use it from the iPad).
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Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:49 am
Ok, but what is the midi breakout for ?
if I plug a midi cable in the midi in and run a sequencer with a midi app on the iPad, do I get CV out on the es-9 ? Do it a t as a midi to CV converter ?
If you are on iOS and looking to sequence/clock your rig, check out Covariant. Also miRack has the es-5 encoder if you need it.

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by ForAiur » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:24 am

os wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:19 am
Yes.
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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by ForAiur » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:34 am

Is there a way to connect the Midi-Breakout to the ES-9 AND to the Disting EX at the same time?

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by os » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:40 am

Do you want to send MIDI between the two, or, say use the output from the ES-9 and the input to the disting?

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by ForAiur » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:48 am

I want to use it to play the Disting EX's different instruments and sample instruments para/polyphonically (like from a Keystep) but also use it to send start stop clock from Ableton to my Sequencer(s) (different scenario, I guess not both at the same time)

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by os » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:54 am

In the first scenario, you could actually just directly connect the two modules via their MIDI headers, without the breakout.

In fact you could do that in the second case too, by enabling MIDI Thru on the disting and just connecting the disting's MIDI output to the breakout.

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by ForAiur » Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:24 am

But the Disting EX doesn't have an external Midi In that I could connect to a Beatstep?

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by os » Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:25 am

That would be via the breakout.

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Re: ES-9 & MIDI

Post by ForAiur » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:49 am

os wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:25 am
That would be via the breakout.
Sorry, I missread the 2nd sentence and thought this was also without the Breakout. Very cool. Looking forward to getting once the dealer has one. This is the 4th time in 3 weeks where I'm redoing cases because the ES-9 is so good but also so deep that I keep switching it from Intellijel cases where it sits well back to external "this is everything you need, no matter which synth" boxes that only have 3U. The only one I have is an old Intellijel 4U case. But it is super heavy and feels like a brick.

Are there any cases that fit the ES-9 but are also kind of lightweight and have their own power? Using it with a 4MS PodX is possible but when I attach the USB of the ES-9 to my computer and at the same time power the skiff via USB .... people say this c an cause problems like small "sparks" or noise floor. Polyend said that that's not the case, their Polyend Anywhere wouldn't cause something like that, but I'm a noob and sometimes I have these problems.

Maybe I'll have to get a PODX but with wallpower ... which sucks a bit because I loved my "soundmangling" skiff with ES-9 to be mobile to use it with a Kalimba in the park.

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