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Quick Usamo questions...need some advice for Logic, Mac OS Catalina & Apogee.

Post by captinjuan » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:15 pm

I'm on the limb on a 2nd hand Usamo + Midi Splitter or Alyseum 2nd hand AL-88c now that copperlan is back up and running.

Here's my specs.

Imac Pro Catalina OSX Logic Pro 10.6.3 Apogee Symphony Mk1

Tonal Recall Analog Delay which will be plugged into the supplied Chase Bliss Midi Box, out from the midi box 1/4 ts into the delay. I think going from the Usamo into the midi box then into the analog delay and another midi cable connection from the Midi Box Thru out unto a 1-4 midi splitter into my external synths. Is there a better way for the lowest timing? Btw the Alsyeum 2nd hand is going for 250$ :eek: :waah:
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Re: Quick Usamo questions...need some advice.

Post by os » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 am

If you really care about timing, you want one USAMO per synth (or an ESX-8MD).

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Post by captinjuan » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:55 pm

My apogee symphony has 2 RCA Spdif inputs and 2 outputs, can I use those with the ESX-8MD?

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Post by os » Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:28 pm

Yes, via an ES-40.

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Post by captinjuan » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:50 pm

Yeah then that's what I'll do but I'm new to modular, I don't know anything except that I know I will need small case like the doepfer. So I go out from my Apogee into an Es-40 but how do I route thee Es-40 to the ESX-8md?

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Post by os » Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:17 am

The ESX-8MD just connects to the ES-40 with a ribbon cable. As far as your computer is concerned there's a single SPDIF connection and that's it.

The trick will be routing it in Logic. Using the ESX-8MD requires an instance of the ES-4 Controller plug-in (part of Silent Way) for each output you want to use on the 8MD, all inserted on a single track. You then need to route your MIDI tracks into those plug-ins. If this is possible at all in Logic it will probably involve the Environment (if that's still a thing).

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Post by captinjuan » Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:44 pm

Has anyone got it up and running in logic before me? Anyhow, my approach would be like this, load silent way software AU plugin and route it to a SPDIF output from logic into an output on me Symphony SPDIF cable into the ES-40, 8 Channels all routed to the same output (SPDIF) witch its each own midi channel 1-8? Lastly, the owner of the used Alyseum said that expert sleepers products wouldn't work on my Roland JDXI, Novation Ultranova or Tonal Recall Pedal and its just geared towards only modular, is that true?

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Post by os » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:47 am

8 Channels all routed to the same output (SPDIF)
That's what you can't do. It has to be one track routed to the SPDIF output.

My products will work with any device with a MIDI input.

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Post by captinjuan » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:20 am

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8 Channels all routed to the same output (SPDIF)
That's what you can't do. It has to be one track routed to the SPDIF output.

My products will work with any device with a MIDI input.
Sorry my mistake, 8 Software Instrument tracks each route to one SPDIF output and each with own midi channel is do-able. Thank you so much and looks like I will be buying the combo then. If it doesn't work I'll keep the case and begin my modular journey.

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Post by os » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:26 am

8 Software Instrument tracks each route to one SPDIF output
Again, no. It has to be *one* track routed to the SPDIF output.

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Post by captinjuan » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:29 am

Or even just 1 software instrument track with 8 corresponding midi channels routed to one SPDIF output.

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Post by captinjuan » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:31 am

Sorry. I'm trying. I really want to give it a go.

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Post by os » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:52 am

captinjuan wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:29 am
Or even just 1 software instrument track with 8 corresponding midi channels routed to one SPDIF output.
Yes, that will work. I just wasn't sure if Logic lets you route 8 MIDI channels into one software instrument.

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Post by captinjuan » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:57 am

Yeah you actually can and without fiddling with Midi Environment. I first tried this with Sampler because I wanted a software stereo output instead of the Multi-Channel output which I think hogs CPU when working in higher sample rates because it can affect playback. I also wanted one stereo output from my drums and percussion because it feels glued together when routed to single output, but that's just my preference.

Edit: Here's a detailed quick rundown for new users.

It goes like this in Logic 10.6.3, click tracks, new tracks, new software instrument track, and output to your interface's SPDIF. Next step is very important or the option will be gone or left out, click on inspector which is the circular eye on the top left corner, 2 Panes should show, region and track, go to track and click midi channel one. Now finally, go to the top header again and click on track and click other and click new track with next midi channel, it will be the corresponding midi ch2 with the same instrument.

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Re: Quick Usamo questions...need some advice for Logic, Mac OS Catalina & Apogee.

Post by captinjuan » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:33 pm

Alright OS, I get my check in exactly one week. Which program do I open and its midi channels in the silent way package and how much does it cost? What settings do I need to put in the required program?

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Re: Quick Usamo questions...need some advice for Logic, Mac OS Catalina & Apogee.

Post by os » Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:20 am

For the ESX-8MD connected to an ES-40, you want the ES-4 Controller plug-in. You don't need to buy Silent Way to use this.

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Re: Quick Usamo questions...need some advice for Logic, Mac OS Catalina & Apogee.

Post by captinjuan » Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:09 am

Thank you OS, I just saw the video on ESX-8MD, doesn't look that difficult setting up. If there is a manual, I'll take a look as well.

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