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I think technically it supports 17; you can use host with a computer for vsts, or something like a Mio/MPC that can act as host for the Cirklon.
The first ports, numbered 1 to 5, are the standard serial MIDI ports on the rear panel. Next follows the CV port, which represents the internal CVIO option, if present.
Next there are 6 ports assigned to the USB device port, which acts as a class-compliant USB MIDI interface, when connected to a suitable host. These are labelled “usb1” to “usb6”.
For Cirklon 2, there are further rows for up to 16 MIDI ports on a class-compliant USB MIDI interface, attached to the USB host port. These are labelled “hst1” to “hst16”.
Note that only the number of ports supported by the attached device will be active.
As far as I understood there are 5 DIN Midi ports, 6 USB Midi ports and on the Cirklon 2 16 USB-Host Midi ports via a simple class compliant Midi-interface like the Miditech Midiface 16x16. Every port has 16 channels then. I mostly use one channel per instrument. Only a few need more that one Midi channel. Mostly mulitimbral rack synths in my case or the SU700 sampler that needs one channel per track when controlled externally. That way I count up to 432 instruments.stickman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:28 amI think technically it supports 17; you can use host with a computer for vsts, or something like a Mio/MPC that can act as host for the Cirklon.
A couple of questions for curiosity..
Does much of your gear support class compliant midi usb? (MicroFreak does).. might mitigate need for another midi hub.
Do you need >11 (or 17) instruments at a given time with the Cirklon?
I think I will hit a wall with Midi through (provided on synths and a Kenton box) in the near future. I wonder what the general experiences or recommendations regarding interfaces are. Should I go for the MioXL, find a Mio10 or hope to get my Cirklon 2 upgrade kit in near future and just get the Miditech then and stay relatively simple? Especially the differences in features between MioXL, Mio10 and a simple class comlpliant interface in connection with the Cirklon 2 are not clear to me. by now I mostly connect one channel to on e instrument and did not get really deep into what Midi can do with experienced routing.dubonaire wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:11 pmLike Sinamsis I use an iConnectivity Mio, I have the 10, the predecessor to the XL. I recommend them. I use the 5 DIN MIDI ports on the Cirklon for my main instruments and use the Mio for other instruments. I also use the Mio for my controllers into Cirklon. I do it this way because I like the routing options.
I also recommend when you have a lot of connections to document them. I use an online flow charter called diagrams.net.
I sometimes use hardware MIDI THRU for cable management reasons and have no problem with it, only one chain though.
I am fucking bitter as hell that my mpc 4000 died and there is no good sequencing solution and no hope for one anytime soon. This sucks.dubonaire wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:49 amI think mean you the Sequentix forum. Easy typo. I don’t agree, and if you ask a new question about functionality you’ll often get a considered response from Colin.gminorcoles wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:58 pm if you post questions on the sequential forum you probably won't get any reponse, or a passive aggressive response. buying super niche cult gear has its pitfalls.
Super niche cult gear? WTF is niche about a sequencer?
Oh wait, just read a bunch of posts by you about this sequencer. Had no idea a piece of hardware could do this to someone. My sympathies dude.
The usb = 6 ports , where each ports has 16 channelsLeverkusen wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:21 amAs far as I understood there are 5 DIN Midi ports, 6 USB Midi ports and on the Cirklon 2 16 USB-Host Midi ports via a simple class compliant Midi-interface like the Miditech Midiface 16x16. Every port has 16 channels then. I mostly use one channel per instrument. Only a few need more that one Midi channel. Mostly mulitimbral rack synths in my case or the SU700 sampler that needs one channel per track when controlled externally. That way I count up to 432 instruments.stickman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:28 amI think technically it supports 17; you can use host with a computer for vsts, or something like a Mio/MPC that can act as host for the Cirklon.
A couple of questions for curiosity..
Does much of your gear support class compliant midi usb? (MicroFreak does).. might mitigate need for another midi hub.
Do you need >11 (or 17) instruments at a given time with the Cirklon?
I think I will hit a wall with Midi through (provided on synths and a Kenton box) in the near future. I wonder what the general experiences or recommendations regarding interfaces are. Should I go for the MioXL, find a Mio10 or hope to get my Cirklon 2 upgrade kit in near future and just get the Miditech then and stay relatively simple? Especially the differences in features between MioXL, Mio10 and a simple class comlpliant interface in connection with the Cirklon 2 are not clear to me. by now I mostly connect one channel to on e instrument and did not get really deep into what Midi can do with experienced routing.dubonaire wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:11 pmLike Sinamsis I use an iConnectivity Mio, I have the 10, the predecessor to the XL. I recommend them. I use the 5 DIN MIDI ports on the Cirklon for my main instruments and use the Mio for other instruments. I also use the Mio for my controllers into Cirklon. I do it this way because I like the routing options.
I also recommend when you have a lot of connections to document them. I use an online flow charter called diagrams.net.
I sometimes use hardware MIDI THRU for cable management reasons and have no problem with it, only one chain though.
The usb = 6 ports , where each ports has 16 channelsLeverkusen wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:21 amAs far as I understood there are 5 DIN Midi ports, 6 USB Midi ports and on the Cirklon 2 16 USB-Host Midi ports via a simple class compliant Midi-interface like the Miditech Midiface 16x16. Every port has 16 channels then. I mostly use one channel per instrument. Only a few need more that one Midi channel. Mostly mulitimbral rack synths in my case or the SU700 sampler that needs one channel per track when controlled externally. That way I count up to 432 instruments.stickman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:28 amI think technically it supports 17; you can use host with a computer for vsts, or something like a Mio/MPC that can act as host for the Cirklon.
A couple of questions for curiosity..
Does much of your gear support class compliant midi usb? (MicroFreak does).. might mitigate need for another midi hub.
Do you need >11 (or 17) instruments at a given time with the Cirklon?
I think I will hit a wall with Midi through (provided on synths and a Kenton box) in the near future. I wonder what the general experiences or recommendations regarding interfaces are. Should I go for the MioXL, find a Mio10 or hope to get my Cirklon 2 upgrade kit in near future and just get the Miditech then and stay relatively simple? Especially the differences in features between MioXL, Mio10 and a simple class comlpliant interface in connection with the Cirklon 2 are not clear to me. by now I mostly connect one channel to on e instrument and did not get really deep into what Midi can do with experienced routing.dubonaire wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:11 pmLike Sinamsis I use an iConnectivity Mio, I have the 10, the predecessor to the XL. I recommend them. I use the 5 DIN MIDI ports on the Cirklon for my main instruments and use the Mio for other instruments. I also use the Mio for my controllers into Cirklon. I do it this way because I like the routing options.
I also recommend when you have a lot of connections to document them. I use an online flow charter called diagrams.net.
I sometimes use hardware MIDI THRU for cable management reasons and have no problem with it, only one chain though.
Assuming you are using the same username, I've seen all your bug reports in the Cirklon forum. It seems that a lot of them are not bugs but simply how the system is designed. Either way, Colin is pretty exceptional at fixing bugs and updating the OS, and he appears extremely patient and overall very responsive in responding to your reports.gentleclockdivider wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:40 pm True , the cirklon is amazing but imho it's has a lot of bugs , especcialy the ck patterns
I discover at least a bug every few days , a bug posted a month ago still hasn't got any response from Colin
Latest one I found , which rarely happens but it does happen is adjusting the grid view rapidly in a ck pattern , all of a sudden the ck pattern stops ouputting midi .
Also experienced a frozen unit while executing a quantize job on a ck patttern .
The hype about the cirklon is totally justified , but damn those start up "don't panic ' screens don't make my day
I agree , some are indeed design decisions , other are just bugs ( that will be fixed eventually )dubonaire wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:19 pmAssuming you are using the same username, I've seen all your bug reports in the Cirklon forum. It seems that a lot of them are not bugs but simply how the system is designed. Either way, Colin is pretty exceptional at fixing bugs and updating the OS, and he appears extremely patient and overall very responsive in responding to your reports.gentleclockdivider wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:40 pm True , the cirklon is amazing but imho it's has a lot of bugs , especcialy the ck patterns
I discover at least a bug every few days , a bug posted a month ago still hasn't got any response from Colin
Latest one I found , which rarely happens but it does happen is adjusting the grid view rapidly in a ck pattern , all of a sudden the ck pattern stops ouputting midi .
Also experienced a frozen unit while executing a quantize job on a ck patttern .
The hype about the cirklon is totally justified , but damn those start up "don't panic ' screens don't make my day
Maybe I'm lucky or I don't push it hard enough, but I've never encountered a Don't Panic screen in the almost 5 years since I first used mine.
Also easy to install. There is a YouTube video showing how to do. No soldering required. Just plug and play!
Thanks!minimalist wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:31 amAlso easy to install. There is a YouTube video showing how to do. No soldering required. Just plug and play!
You're probably keen to get it driving your modular, but if you are considering getting the V2 upgrade kit you could do both at once.
It upgrades the LCD, a few PCBs (hardware upgrades)/back panel. What was confusing was how to get on the kit upgrade list as it was never officially announced. Users just started posting "please place me on the list!!!"....and if you didn't send an email regarding you were NEVER added!!! Sorta messed up. There should've been an official 'sign-up' form to fill out/confirm prior to any launch thereof.
Upgrade kits are not available yet. It may be that you have an early model and the LCD panel was replaced or needs replacing if it is losing contrast. The new LCD is colour TFT so you would know.
Well, it's clear you are not dumb, and it's not that complex. In fact you can start sequencing almost straight away. But it gets deep if you want to go deep.Dcramer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:00 am Thanks for all the info, ya, mine is def not colour screen.
I have watched Colin’s vids and have figured out that mine isn’t part of the oldest (one middle screw) batch but it does need a battery change and an OS update.
I’ll check out the forum, it’s a complex beast and I may well be too dumb
but looking into others to find one that works. Thanks again.
