Ableton Push 3

[gloamtrotter]

Did the first round of these already sell out or was it initially an 8 week wait?

They were immediately available this morning so I'm guessing the first batch sold out.

Dang, that was quick

[miles_macquarrie]

I should have jumped on. Oh well. I preordered. Should ship in 2-4 weeks.

There is some very vague talk in the manual on Adat being used for CV. Only time will tell how it works.

[Inconnu Ciel]

Any recs on an outbox DC coupled ADAT converter? All of the Expert Sleeper stuff is too deep for my skiff.

Careful with any spending- unless you're at peace with the possibility that any extra UI affordances for CV stuff might only apply to the "official" CV outs or similar. Measure twice, cut once etc..

You're right, thanks for that; also goes to show that I need to read up more on ADAT standards.

[Kattefjaes]

Any recs on an outbox DC coupled ADAT converter? All of the Expert Sleeper stuff is too deep for my skiff.

Careful with any spending- unless you're at peace with the possibility that any extra UI affordances for CV stuff might only apply to the "official" CV outs or similar. Measure twice, cut once etc..

You're right, thanks for that; also goes to show that I need to read up more on ADAT standards.

I don't think "ADAT standards" matter here, either, possibly one of the few bits that don't. ADAT is about how you get digital audio from point A to point B, it doesn't care about how your analogue outputs work, really.

Best suggestion I can offer (as I am too damn tired to write you a boring epic right now, lucky escape) is to hang fire until you know what's going on and whether it can do what you want.

[DoverBeach]

Non-standalone version and a Mac air M1 would be the same price as standalone (little more maybe) and a lot more powerful.

non upgradable tho.
Btw even a launchpad with a laptop is "a lot more powerful" than push 3 standalone; the fact is that its competitors are not laptops but other standalone devices which Push 3 blows out of the water. Ableton is destroying the competition with this move.

[miles_macquarrie]

non upgradable tho.
Btw even a launchpad with a laptop is "a lot more powerful" than push 3 standalone; the fact is that its competitors are not laptops but other standalone devices which Push 3 blows out of the water. Ableton is destroying the competition with this move.

100%

I don't think I've ever used the term "game changer" here before, but this is it for me (and probably many others).

To be able to work in standalone (with max for live devices!) and then move seamlessly to Ableton Live and back is truly a very cool.

I wish I would have pre-ordered first thing this morning to avoid my 4 week wait time.

[DoverBeach]

non upgradable tho.
Btw even a launchpad with a laptop is "a lot more powerful" than push 3 standalone; the fact is that its competitors are not laptops but other standalone devices which Push 3 blows out of the water. Ableton is destroying the competition with this move.

100%

I don't think I've ever used the term "game changer" here before, but this is it for me (and probably many others).

To be able to work in standalone (with max for live devices!) and then move seamlessly to Ableton Live and back is truly a very cool.

I'm 100 with you, that's truly game changer. They have set a new standard. NI should learn a couple of things.
M4l with my modular without a laptop in the middle? .

[ObsoleteModular]

Did the first round of these already sell out or was it initially an 8 week wait?

They were immediately available this morning so I'm guessing the first batch sold out.

Dang, that was quick

Dang! I snoozed I loozed

Standalone still available but normal out of stock in UK now

[ronnieb]

They’re still in stock in Germany it seems, I caved and ordered the normal version as a very expensive birthday gift to myself

[Lokua]

I'm very interested to see what updates they release down the road. Inability to create racks and assign macros and I think you can't even setup MIDI mappings on the device in standalone are all kind of deal breakers for me. In a live set I need very fast and instant access to the most important parameters. Those already being strewn across multiple tracks that you have to menu dive into...idk. Seems like Ableton is playing a long game with this one so fingers crossed.

[Wubz]

Non-standalone version and a Mac air M1 would be the same price as standalone (little more maybe) and a lot more powerful.

non upgradable tho.
Btw even a launchpad with a laptop is "a lot more powerful" than push 3 standalone; the fact is that its competitors are not laptops but other standalone devices which Push 3 blows out of the water. Ableton is destroying the competition with this move.

It’s upgradable if you get a new Mac, but Macs themselves are likely less upgradeable than the push will be.
I understand the power of just having the push as purely standalone, for sure. I suppose my aforementioned hypothetical setup sits somewhere between a full blown studio setup and pure standalone. I imagine lots of people will use it with just a laptop (or not much more) and make amazing music with that setup. Im very tempted to get the stand-alone and possibly upgrade it later. Looks killer.
I wander which midi to cv or audio interface modules it will gel well with over ADAT.

[h4ndcrafted]

Granulator as standalone , yes.
I agree this has left all the other options in the dust a bit for standalone

Just when I was looking at the option for a new iPad and logic , which is still compelling from an ability to use au3 , this comes along.

[Scatre]

I'm very interested to see what updates they release down the road. Inability to create racks and assign macros and I think you can't even setup MIDI mappings on the device in standalone are all kind of deal breakers for me. In a live set I need very fast and instant access to the most important parameters. Those already being strewn across multiple tracks that you have to menu dive into...idk. Seems like Ableton is playing a long game with this one so fingers crossed.

I think P3 development will be a major focus for quite some time. Obviously lacking a song mode/ follow action control, as well as arrangement view, but I’m optimistic. I’m in the process of editing some M4L patches to orientate to P3 now. Stand-alone Max is probably one of the most exciting things here.

[bedhead777]

Interesting. So now I could dedicate my laptop solely to video processing and use the standalone for the tunes during a performance...gonna have to really ponder this one. $2k is still a hefty sum.

[Happyanimal]

Non-standalone version and a Mac air M1 would be the same price as standalone (little more maybe) and a lot more powerful.

non upgradable tho.
Btw even a launchpad with a laptop is "a lot more powerful" than push 3 standalone; the fact is that its competitors are not laptops but other standalone devices which Push 3 blows out of the water. Ableton is destroying the competition with this move.

Definitely. The only reason I’m looking at this is because I want to get away from a screen and mouse.

[Happyanimal]

I'm very interested to see what updates they release down the road. Inability to create racks and assign macros and I think you can't even setup MIDI mappings on the device in standalone are all kind of deal breakers for me. In a live set I need very fast and instant access to the most important parameters. Those already being strewn across multiple tracks that you have to menu dive into...idk. Seems like Ableton is playing a long game with this one so fingers crossed.

I think P3 development will be a major focus for quite some time. Obviously lacking a song mode/ follow action control, as well as arrangement view, but I’m optimistic. I’m in the process of editing some M4L patches to orientate to P3 now. Stand-alone Max is probably one of the most exciting things here.

Can wait for the arranger- assuming it will be there one day. Where did you get confirmation that follow actions were not available on clips?

[Scatre]

From Ableton (I’m a certified trainer). I think stimming touched on it in his video, too. Don’t have a unit yet, but should next week

[morphmuse]

Four years ago, this would have been an insta-buy for me. I had long been hoping for a Push with substantial standalone capabilities. I had a Push 1 and was on the fence about Push 2, but fortunately I resisted and went a different route.

While I am still technically an Ableton user, I've gotten comfortable with what I have — a couple of Faderfox devices and a Vestax VCM 600 which, despite being long discontinued and only having six channels available to control at a time, still represents my preferred layout for an Ableton controller.

So, fast forward to today, and on the one hand it seems like it's too late for me. On the other hand, after observing what unsponsored users do with it (as a standalone recording and arrangement device), I am going to be stacking it against the 1010 Bluebox and the recently announced Thingstone Track8 for comparison. In other words, I'll be taking my time, maybe even years, before I make a firm decision for or against.

[mwvm]

Sorry you don’t share the excitement but I guess someone has to play the role of “angry non-customer” in every gear thread.

There's not a single piece of gear that you can't find valid criticisms of, if you try. If somebody can't see the significance of this product then I don't think they really understand the electronic musical instrument market, haven't been paying attention, or just aren't interested.

- a new standalone MPE controller comparable to the Linnstrument, Osmose, Rise etc

- the implementation, albeit partial, of one of the three major DAWs to a standalone battery powered device; Ableton Live.

Cubase, Logic, Bitwig ain't standalone

- a computer-based music hardware product with a manufacturer endorsed, processor, memory and storage upgrade path, baked-in to the design. You could argue it's an entirely new platform

- Max4Live running under Linux on a standalone hardware device

- significant enhancements to an already established industry standard platform (Ableton Live plus Push controller); CV/gate, ADAT I/O, on-board audio interface etc

Nobody has to like it or want it but it is, objectively speaking, a major announcement in the field of music technology

If people forget this is Ableton for a second and start breaking it down as a hardware device, it is incredible.

Sampler, FM synth, drum machine, virtual analog, Wavetable, physical modelling, granular...

Audio and midi flexibility which is fantastic.

FX are quality. What they have developed since 9 especially, and m4l stuff.

And to add the MPE controller expression.

And an op-1 is like £1200?

[mwvm]

The drift synth is really nice. Not sure what it is based on but I managed to dial in some of my fav sounds in seconds.

[mwvm]

My only reservation is recording the guitar direct as a standalone. The amps plugs are a bit meh... But hey I just plug the laptop in and voilà access to vsts as per normal.

I own push 2 and I've rarely used it, only because ergonomically in my setup up I don't have the room as a polybrute is my central controller. Would I use the push 3?

Just to pick the thing up and place it on the dining table or whatever and all you need is headphones. Magic.

[LDT]

I just have to say that to me, this is the most interesting development in our field that I have seen in a long time.

[lumenk]

Stand-alone with adat option and an Es-3 would be a nice system for live modular integration

If that works, I would love it.

[ObsoleteModular]

I just have to say that to me, this is the most interesting development in our field that I have seen in a long time.

It’s like a greatest hits of everything that’s ever been interesting about this product category

[synthsucht]

Nice, so the headphone out can be configured to be 3/4 instead of just mirroring outputs 1/2. Great as a FX send into hardware.

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