Ableton Push 3

[ObsoleteModular]

what everybody forget to mention is you will need to buy/have a Ableton Live license
if you want all the bread and butter instruments/(audio/midi)EFX/modular connectivity you'll need to buy the full monthy, which sets you back another 521€ - i just had confirm from Ableton this won't count / eat into their license policy , which say you can install on 2 separate devices though

You get the full version on the standalone device though, right?

Any additonal licencsing only relates to whatever you're running on your desktop.

i see that nowhere mentioned
the fact that you can add Live licenses when you buy a Push3 adds to my question/story

I'm pretty sure it's just referring to desktop licences because I have the full version of Live and if I put the Push into the shopping cart whilst logged in it doesn't bother offering me Live on the desktop

[GmbH]

what everybody forget to mention is you will need to buy/have a Ableton Live license
if you want all the bread and butter instruments/(audio/midi)EFX/modular connectivity you'll need to buy the full monthy, which sets you back another 521€ - i just had confirm from Ableton this won't count / eat into their license policy , which say you can install on 2 separate devices though

You get the full version on the standalone device though, right?

Any additonal licencsing only relates to whatever you're running on your desktop.

i see that nowhere mentioned
the fact that you can add Live licenses when you buy a Push3 adds to my question/story

I'm pretty sure it's just referring to desktop licences because I have the full version of Live and if I put the Push into the shopping cart whilst logged in it doesn't bother offering me Live on the desktop

New customers buying Push 3 only get the Intro version, o r can add additional versions.

If you have a previous license of Live 11, Push 3 will load the relevant FX and instruments to the hardware –hence the need to authorize via Wi-Fi on the first boot up.
M4L devices on the hardware are then limited to users already owning the software license.

[Lokua]

Hope they make a waveform UI for Sampler too while they’re at it

Wow I didn't realize Push doesn't have one for Sampler. That's a shame for me personally as I pretty much always use Sampler over Simpler (just can't beat the built in oscillator as tuned audio rate modulation source). Push has been out for a decade so I imagine it's a pretty tough task given how old the Sampler codebase is and how obvious of a feature that is (I'm pretty damn surprised).

What is Ableton's track record on Push updates? Is it pretty much in line with the software updates which are frequent, generous, and often surprising? Or is there a super long list of "no-brainers" that just never get addressed?

[stripou]

doesnt matter their track record! cause this here? is a revolution!
one that lets you play the lydian scale chordless in your kitchen, on MPE pads!

All y'all judging this new instrument based on on a whole lot of assumptions in the future...

this post below was almost 8 years ago on the Live forum... ^^

[ObsoleteModular]

what everybody forget to mention is you will need to buy/have a Ableton Live license
if you want all the bread and butter instruments/(audio/midi)EFX/modular connectivity you'll need to buy the full monthy, which sets you back another 521€ - i just had confirm from Ableton this won't count / eat into their license policy , which say you can install on 2 separate devices though

You get the full version on the standalone device though, right?

Any additonal licencsing only relates to whatever you're running on your desktop.

i see that nowhere mentioned
the fact that you can add Live licenses when you buy a Push3 adds to my question/story

I'm pretty sure it's just referring to desktop licences because I have the full version of Live and if I put the Push into the shopping cart whilst logged in it doesn't bother offering me Live on the desktop

New customers buying Push 3 only get the Intro version, o r can add additional versions.

If you have a previous license of Live 11, Push 3 will load the relevant FX and instruments to the hardware –hence the need to authorize via Wi-Fi on the first boot up.
M4L devices on the hardware are then limited to users already owning the software license.

But surely the version of Live running on the standalone device is complete? As in all the features, tracks, software instruments?

[exper]

But surely the version of Live running on the standalone device is complete? As in all the features, tracks, software instruments?

Nope. What's available in standalone is dependent on your actual Live license. It wouldn't bother me as I already have a Suite license, but it does add significantly to the cost if you don't have a copy already. It would be nice to include Suite with the Push 3 standalone purchase, but the market would flood with users selling their old Suite licenses, reducing sales for Ableton.

[kstl]

Got my shipping notice, should be here on Monday. Can't wait to try this with the modular directly, ultra wide new world of possibilities with this new piece without a computer.

I remember talking with a friend about the definitive hardware groovebox, and this is almost there, a bit larger touchscreen would be better, but anyway this is amazing, exciting times for live sets too.

Did someone already got one? Really curious about the max4live devices working on this... I hope at least 80% works well...

[Inconnu Ciel]

Got my shipping notice, should be here on Monday. Can't wait to try this with the modular directly, ultra wide new world of possibilities with this new piece without a computer.

I remember talking with a friend about the definitive hardware groovebox, and this is almost there, a bit larger touchscreen would be better, but anyway this is amazing, exciting times for live sets too.

Did someone already got one? Really curious about the max4live devices working on this... I hope at least 80% works well...

I'm hoping Opal makes the jump, its one of my favorite drum synths right now. Though now that I think about it, it'll probably the individual engines rather than the whole thing with the sequencer. A bish can dream tho

[ObsoleteModular]

But surely the version of Live running on the standalone device is complete? As in all the features, tracks, software instruments?

Nope. What's available in standalone is dependent on your actual Live license. It wouldn't bother me as I already have a Suite license, but it does add significantly to the cost if you don't have a copy already. It would be nice to include Suite with the Push 3 standalone purchase, but the market would flood with users selling their old Suite licenses, reducing sales for Ableton.

Ooh yeah, that's quite cheeky. Not doing themselves any favours there. But yeah I see the reasoning. I've got a Suite license too so it's not an issue for me.

[ObsoleteModular]

Got my shipping notice, should be here on Monday. Can't wait to try this with the modular directly, ultra wide new world of possibilities with this new piece without a computer.

I remember talking with a friend about the definitive hardware groovebox, and this is almost there, a bit larger touchscreen would be better, but anyway this is amazing, exciting times for live sets too.

Did someone already got one? Really curious about the max4live devices working on this... I hope at least 80% works well...

I'm hoping Opal makes the jump, its one of my favorite drum synths right now. Though now that I think about it, it'll probably the individual engines rather than the whole thing with the sequencer. A bish can dream tho

Opal's gorgeous UI running on that OLED and standalone, too. Omg! Dream Groovebox right there.

[kstl]

I'm hoping Opal makes the jump, its one of my favorite drum synths right now. Though now that I think about it, it'll probably the individual engines rather than the whole thing with the sequencer. A bish can dream tho

If that one works, is already a festival of hardware drum machine

[MoonPoly]

Got my shipping notice, should be here on Monday. Can't wait to try this with the modular directly, ultra wide new world of possibilities with this new piece without a computer.

I remember talking with a friend about the definitive hardware groovebox, and this is almost there, a bit larger touchscreen would be better, but anyway this is amazing, exciting times for live sets too.

Did someone already got one? Really curious about the max4live devices working on this... I hope at least 80% works well...

I'm hoping Opal makes the jump, its one of my favorite drum synths right now. Though now that I think about it, it'll probably the individual engines rather than the whole thing with the sequencer. A bish can dream tho

dont know if this helps or is an actual Max4 plugin version or just a GUI for Opal
in max4live ... its a quote from their webpage

Each synth engine in Opal comes as a separate Max for Live device which you can sequence, automate and route however you want.

And in realation to that ...


What is the verdict on audio quality of Abeltons FX and synth engines vs high end softwhere? ... are the dynamics on par with stuff from wave ssl etc.. synth on par with the Reaktor, arturia u-he, Roland plugins etc ... not in terms of flexibility but just pure fidelity/ sound quality ...

same question about the drum synths on par with the Akai and NI Machine..or as good as a say a Roland TR8s?

Aand again would love o hear from an experienced Max user what he/she considers to be some of the highlights of the max4live library ..

[sacguy71]

I have a Push 2 and plan to upgrade to this.

[ObsoleteModular]

What is the verdict on audio quality of Abeltons FX and synth engines vs high end softwhere? ... are the dynamics on par with stuff from wave ssl etc.. synth on par with the Reaktor, arturia u-he, Roland plugins etc ... not in terms of flexibility but just pure fidelity/ sound quality ...

same question about the drum synths on par with the Akai and NI Machine..or as good as a say a Roland TR8s?

Aand again would love o hear from an experienced Max user what he/she considers to be some of the highlights of the max4live library ..

You can trial Live Suite free for 90 days with no limitations!!!

Get stuck in, see what you think.

https://www.ableton.com/en/trial/

[MoonPoly]

What is the verdict on audio quality of Abeltons FX and synth engines vs high end softwhere? ... are the dynamics on par with stuff from wave ssl etc.. synth on par with the Reaktor, arturia u-he, Roland plugins etc ... not in terms of flexibility but just pure fidelity/ sound quality ...

same question about the drum synths on par with the Akai and NI Machine..or as good as a say a Roland TR8s?

Aand again would love o hear from an experienced Max user what he/she considers to be some of the highlights of the max4live library ..

You can trial Live Suite free for 90 days with no limitations!!!

Get stuck in, see what you think.

https://www.ableton.com/en/trial/

Dont really have too much time these days .. I was hoping for just user feedback atm .. but I did listen to some sounddesign off youtube from drift synth and it sounded more than just fine .. it sounded really good actually ..

Also found this 1500$ comp vs abelton Glue compressor ..






TBH ... this is a very impressive release.. they delivered a stable system ready to ship on day one ..extremely well built, not limeted/ expandable ..IMO the price make the Elektron look expensive and the polyend stuff look like toys ..

its like the room went quiet, the needle skipped off the record ..everything went silent Korg and Roland ''booking the scaling features to market criteria'' days are gone ... its like this release kindered the start of the new breed .. Manufactures now need to step up their game ... I am looking at you Roland Aria Variphrase sampler groovebox with plugouts and you Korg; all sequencer synth-tech merged with layerd advanced re-sampling tech in a prologe 16 analog hybrid engine ..

The more I look at this ... the more impressive it becomes ..Really just a @ abelton ... the MEP pads and realtime sliding of audio loops are just amazing ... finally the future of sampling is dawning upon us (well it started in the beginning of the millennium with the Su700 (where would we be today if Yamaha would have developed the Su700 like the MPCs) and then the future of sampling visited us with the V-synth a decade ago (no idea what happened to this amazing tech, Roland?) .. but I do feel like we are 15 years late on advancing sampling and sequencing, prehaps this si only possible due to the softwhere engineering being viable business model president-ed as precursor to hardwhere design .. Roland seam to be the only ones that share that same vision ..merging soft and hardwhere as one product..

I would have like to see a crossfader or two (for multi parameter morphing /crossfading) but you just add controllers for this ... its a very focused well thought out and fairly priced system.. hats off to the upgrading options .. just a breakthough for us in the producer world .. and presumable (and easily so) the new standard in the live set world... Bravo team Abelton !

[naturligfunktion]

What is the verdict on audio quality of Abeltons FX and synth engines vs high end softwhere? ... are the dynamics on par with stuff from wave ssl etc.. synth on par with the Reaktor, arturia u-he, Roland plugins etc ... not in terms of flexibility but just pure fidelity/ sound quality ...

same question about the drum synths on par with the Akai and NI Machine..or as good as a say a Roland TR8s?

Aand again would love o hear from an experienced Max user what he/she considers to be some of the highlights of the max4live library ..

I mean they for sure do the trick. If you compare it with soundtoys, well thats a different flavour!

I do really like their sounds and the electric piano sounds pretty sweet if you add a bit saturation.

For me, the sounds in Ableton are great if you need something just now, in the moment. I have a lot of samples, and I record a bunch of things, so I never build a track just by abletons own stuff. But they sound cool I suppose

[Back Down the Path]

What is the verdict on audio quality of Abeltons FX and synth engines vs high end softwhere? ... are the dynamics on par with stuff from wave ssl etc.. synth on par with the Reaktor, arturia u-he, Roland plugins etc ... not in terms of flexibility but just pure fidelity/ sound quality ...

same question about the drum synths on par with the Akai and NI Machine..or as good as a say a Roland TR8s?

Aand again would love o hear from an experienced Max user what he/she considers to be some of the highlights of the max4live library ..

I mean they for sure do the trick. If you compare it with soundtoys, well thats a different flavour!

I do really like their sounds and the electric piano sounds pretty sweet if you add a bit saturation.

For me, the sounds in Ableton are great if you need something just now, in the moment. I have a lot of samples, and I record a bunch of things, so I never build a track just by abletons own stuff. But they sound cool I suppose

Ableton's synths and FX are best understood as raw materials that need to be grouped into racks with a well-considered signal chain to get the most out of. A lot of people complain about the algo reverb but the biggest issue I have with it is that it's waaay too quiet. I always end up throwing a utility on there and boosting it up 2-4 db.

Over the years I've come to really enjoy most Ableton stock plugins and I see Push 3 as an opportunity to focus on them even more and get the most out of them.

Mine arrives tomorrow (signature required - fingers crossed I do not miss it during the changing of the guard for the people I have summoned to stick around my house and make sure it isn't missed!). Push 1 was my first big gear purchase back in 2013 when I was younger and broke - it was the beginning of the journey for me and I'm pretty stoked for this full realization of the device. And the journey I speak of, of course, is my journey to becoming a vacuous shill

[ObsoleteModular]

And the journey I speak of, of course, is my journey to becoming a vacuous shill

I'm all in ... pass the Kool-Aid!

Ableton just did a mic drop on the entire industry.

Roland, Korg, Yamaha, Akai, NI, Synthstrom, PolyEnd, Elektron?

Dude's are a sleeping!

[Koekepan]

I wasn't going to weigh in here (I've already done so abundantly elsewhere) but I think that some of the irrational exuberance could be tamed.

First point: the standalone experience is expensive. If you're buying the Push 3, specified for standalone work, with a full-fat Ableton Live installation to give you all the bells and whistles on top, you're spending more than you would for an MPC X (even the special edition), even a bit more than the KORG Nautilus or the Kurzweil PC4.

It's also way ahead of the Maschine+ and the Force, which are arguably its more direct competitors. When I say "way ahead", it's about double the price. That's a lot of candy. It's also way ahead of the MPC Live II, which is arguably (because of the battery) a more direct comparison.

So what do you get for all this crazy cash and mad money?

Less I/O in every case that I can think of, unless CV is a top priority for you in which case the keyboard workstations from KORG and Kurzweil come up short, but the Akai Force/Live II/X all pull ahead. So, that's not great.

Thus in the studio, it's less of a studio master, but if you take it on the road its "up to 2.5 hours" lifespan is just much less than the Live II's battery (and the Live II is still the more capable studio boss). No onboard speakers either.

Its screen real estate isn't good - which wouldn't be a problem except that its whole claim to fame is running Ableton Live, which benefits from a large screen to make all that data clearly visible.

In fact, this brings us to some of the deficits: no arranger view? You're paying for a full-fat DAW, but can't use one of its major interfaces, and in fact one where most producers spend the majority of their time?

OK, you can swap out the on-board hardware, if that's your burning desire, good for you. Oh, and it does MPE from its interface. Groovy. But get this: you can, for the price of a well-equipped, standalone Push 3, buy a Force, or a Maschine+, and stack on the purchase of a Linnstrument and still come in with cash left over for a sixpack and a pizza.

Oh, and to even run the thing, you first have to play the same mother-may-I registration game with Ableton Live that Native Instruments makes you do with the Maschine+. I can just feel the good vibes from here.

With a cold heart and open eyes, I wouldn't buy this. Not at its current price. In fact, I would arguably not want it even at price parity with the Force. Yeah, they dropped the mic. Right on their own toes.

[MoonPoly]

... nha mate ... it was absolutely a propper mice drop ..´its like there is dust and silence in the air right now with every other manufacture staring eachother in the eyes with surprised disbelieve

I think your tottally missing the point, ..

#I/O are done via expandability USB ADAT ..

#Screen is absolutely fine /its a gorgeous LCD btw full of colors and backlit .. nothing wrong with it ... take it over a that huge elbows in the air workflow of a design the MPC X is with cringe pitching finger on screen operation ...

#no arranger view ? ..are you sure its not coming in a firmware upgrade .. Common dude .. performance record has always been a highlight of the clip based + controller experience ..

#the battery life span is likely just thought of as temporary thing .. most live acts are around an hour... the solution is a powerbank .. (perhaps a larger battery was technically not possible) ...

And I don't think you can compare this to the M+ or the force .. this is a completely different level, like they are standing in line wile the Push is smoking cigars and doing blow of some silicons the vip lounge ... I will agree that the whole licence and registering thing is a drag ... but everything else you state is solely based on opinionated conclusions rater than on the units factual focus ...

at the core this is a very flawless release .. and for what you get again I'd say fairly priced .. its a full on fully expandable production suite .. its seams to be top pro level built quality ..

Biggest con IMO is its over 4kg .. (not really a con, its intended to be a serious mainstage unit,.. packpack is a little under the dress code,.. but I am sure there will be suitable travel cases..

All in all ... This is the biggest mike drop in the pan of all groovebox/samplers and cross platform since .. well since beginning of sampling ..

[Scatre]

It’s worth noting P3 can be powered off a standard power bank via the USB-C for more juice. It would be nice if a more efficient internal battery became available in the future, tho.

[ObsoleteModular]

I wasn't going to weigh in here (I've already done so abundantly elsewhere) but I think that some of the irrational exuberance could be tamed.

Or you could just let people be excited about it? It's a harmless, simple pleasure, to dig some new gear.

[Back Down the Path]

I wasn't going to weigh in here (I've already done so abundantly elsewhere) but I think that some of the irrational exuberance could be tamed.

Or you could just let people be excited about it? It's a harmless, simple pleasure, to dig some new gear.

I need my simple pleasure, but by the same token, others also need to publicly soothe themselves that the new shiny toy isn't anything special compared to what they already have so they don't need to buy it. There is a lot of deep psychology at play when The New Thing gets released. We're all just out here, howling at one moon or another.

[djthopa]

Someone else got an ableton notification? Mine is arriving tomorrow

[stripou]

Because i‘m a very long time Ableton and Push user and am actually interested in what they put out.