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This li'l beastie was announced today and I'm curious about peoples impressions.

I jumped on the lemondrop because it offered something quite different and offered a nice hardware granular option, but not sure about this one. Will need to see more, but would love to hear what y'all think.

https://1010music.com/product/nanobox-razzmatazz
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Seems cool. I'm largely over portable devices for "on-the-go". The format is over-represented.

I'd like to hear more of it.
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Just looked through the sequencer section of the manual... no pattern chaining. :foul:
Hopefully it's just an initial release oversight that will be quickly remedied with an update.

Other than that, it looks pretty sweet. I really like the idea of having 2 FM oscillators plus a sample for all 8 voices; seems very flexible. And after hearing the "cab emulation" distortion in the Sweetwater video, I'm pretty sold on the quality of the sound engine - definitely beefy.
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I see it can sample but does it slice and stretch like the black box/bit box? I’m guessing not for the sake of differentiating the lower range from the upper range, but that would be cool!
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Na, the wav playback is really basic stuff - just some ratcheting action - and no real modulation capabilities for the wav parameters.

Although, with a Lemondrop you could do all kinds of fun stuff to a sample and then resample it onto the Razzmatazz...
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Sounds like one of those machines where its probably best to import the samples in and focus on blending them into the drum synths.
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I produced the demo video for this and I can confirm the cabinet distortion (and included comb filter) is fantastic. It's a really nice, musical sounding distortion. The FM Modulation is tasty too.

I'm not a huge fan of tiny devices but I was pleasantly surprised with the ease of use and intuitve workflow of these nanoboxes, not to mention the sound quality!
The UI is really well thought out and helps to make it feel like an actual instrument instead of a menu-divey compact device.

The first part of the demo is using razz's onboard sequencer, then I switch over to using blackbox as the master. All of the nanoboxes have MIDI through, so you just assign a different channel for each of them in the blackbox sequencer and they sync up perfectly.

I bought some really cool preset packs for fireball and lemondrop from LFO Store, definitely worth checking out.
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This would be a great way to expand my Digitakt-based minimal-hardware live set.
8 more sample slots controlled via the Digitakt MIDI tracks, with stereo samples, more filters, more fx per sound, FM synthesis at the same time and lot of MIDI control in a tiny package seems to good for me.
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anselmi wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:07 am This would be a great way to expand my Digitakt-based minimal-hardware live set.
8 more sample slots controlled via the Digitakt MIDI tracks, with stereo samples, more filters, more fx per sound, FM synthesis at the same time and lot of MIDI control in a tiny package seems to good for me.
I'm mentally sending the Wee Bey "thinking about it and kind-of amazed" gif here.
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Still thinking they should just make it more like Versio or even their own 1010 modules. I don't know if they're different internally but being able to pick and choose from the firmware pool would just help it justify the price tag. Otherwise for just a little more I can get couple Elektron Model:s & deal with a much much nicer interface. It's not like these guys are still that tiny when they're setup with full midi & i/o.
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Well, it is certainly pink, cute, and razzmatazzy!

It isn’t burning a hole in my pocket right now, but you never know. It seems like a thing to feed an external sampler with loops.
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Despite really loving bluebox / bitbox micro, as well as drum programming.... I'm left kind of deflated. I wish they'd have just made these bluebox sized, as I have adult human fingers. I get that adding a battery would jack the cost way up, so I won't question the point of going ultra portable if you still need an outlet or a brick, but would it really have cost that much to give us an extra inch or two? I'm also kind of curious why we're not buying one device and then paying for the firmwares we want, since it seems like it could all run on a single unit and would end up being a more affordable platform for users that don't need 10 different boxes.

I feel like with 1010 I'm always getting nearly what I want, but not quite. Get a spectrum analyzer or oscilloscope on the bluebox and I'd buy another one in a heartbeat.
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I'm assuming the design concept for the Nanoboxes went something like: "Hey, we got a lot of extra screens and pots for Bitbox Micros... maybe we could make something else with them... like a little plastic box... done."

That said I actually have zero problems with my Lemondrop's UI. Tho it is 1000% easier to use since I velcro-taped it to the inside of my gig case so I can crank on the knobs fiendishly without it moving around.
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thelowerrhythm wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:05 pm I get that adding a battery would jack the cost way up, so I won't question the point of going ultra portable if you still need an outlet or a brick
I agree... this things needs a battery for sure

Is anybody using their Nanoboxes with a power bank here? is it possible?
I mean a small one, not the kind that can feeds a Digitakt
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anselmi wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:04 pm Is anybody using their Nanoboxes with a power bank here? is it possible?
I mean a small one, not the kind that can feeds a Digitakt
I used 5 x power banks for the demo video as it was the quickest and easiest way to be completely noise free.
2 x 15,000mAh for the blackbox/bluebox and 3 x 10,000mAh for the nanoboxes. I get 16+ hours use out of the smaller ones.
You can't power multiple nanoboxes with one powerbank, unfortunately.
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Cute but not interested , hardwares about interface. Yes it’s minimal clever , but where’s the fun in that ? If you’re on the go a phone is easier and way more powerful.

That said it is desirable and plenty of people will put it to good use, def not for me though.
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anselmi wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:07 am This would be a great way to expand my Digitakt-based minimal-hardware live set.
8 more sample slots controlled via the Digitakt MIDI tracks, with stereo samples, more filters, more fx per sound, FM synthesis at the same time and lot of MIDI control in a tiny package seems to good for me.
Oooo. I didn't even think about this being a good use for getting stereo samples "into" my DT. But the pricetag is a non-starter for something this small and single use for me.
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anselmi wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:07 am This would be a great way to expand my Digitakt-based minimal-hardware live set.
8 more sample slots controlled via the Digitakt MIDI tracks, with stereo samples, more filters, more fx per sound, FM synthesis at the same time and lot of MIDI control in a tiny package seems to good for me.
Yeah, I was thinking that feeding MIDI from my Octatrack into it and then sampling the output would be pretty amazing.
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I got one of these on friday, and must say it´s a great sounding machine, with lots of options. I dont dig the menus, would like to ger rid of that, and i definately dont like only stereo output.
It´s fun to work with, and it should be easy to integrate in a daw; i tried with bitwig, piece of cake, just add the notes that reoresents the drums wherever and you are on a roll.
Still have buckets to learn so i hope i can empty that bucket this week and the next, then i have to return it or pay for it!

I would really like an editor to get a better overview of all, maybe make one myself with ctrlr... ?
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Well, I bought it. First impressions are very good. I decided that the lack of pattern chaining could end up being a fun performance element rather than an impediment, but only time will tell if that actually works out.

One thing that's important to me that doesn't seem to be detailed anywhere: you can load a different preset while still running the sequencer and it seamlessly switches to the new preset - no stopping and restarting of the sequence. I was really hoping it could do this and am very happy to find that it does.
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defalut wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:17 pm I got one of these on friday, and must say it´s a great sounding machine, with lots of options. I dont dig the menus, would like to ger rid of that, and i definately dont like only stereo output.
It´s fun to work with, and it should be easy to integrate in a daw; i tried with bitwig, piece of cake, just add the notes that reoresents the drums wherever and you are on a roll.
Still have buckets to learn so i hope i can empty that bucket this week and the next, then i have to return it or pay for it!

I would really like an editor to get a better overview of all, maybe make one myself with ctrlr... ?
Well.. i sold it like two days after buying it! :( But it truly had a great sound and i can see it as a great source of samples firstly, secondly a travel companion together with a synth with sequencer. Sampler is built-in so a nice setup would be a digitone or syntakt for size and flexibility, plus the ext ins so i can do without a mixer!..

Anyway; place i bought if from first accepted the unit back with no big deal attitude. Great store (EFN in Sthlm)! I have shopped quite a bit there through the years and always a great attitude and competitive prices.
So also this time. Two days ago when i visited the online store, what got my attention was the price.. brand new unit with 21% off! This made it extremely hard to let go, so yesterday i convinced myself to buy it. Fudge the single stereo out! There were enough internal fx for y taste, and i can also sample freely from it.. so, not much to loose.

Anyway, i´m back! :)

Oh yeah, regarding drums.. dont know if you recall but i had a modular drum machine skiff too with ssf entity ultra kick, plonk, and two prok modules where both were converted to Klonk. :)
Sold Plonk.. my fifth one.. :( But ONLY because i wanted Anomy (Anymo? Anyma?) Phi instead which has a lots more than jst physical modelling.. VA, FM, Wavetables are some.. So now i will find a controller part to play the synth stand-alone, and part to map up the internal functions to as many knobs as possible.

Phi and Razzmatazz will be a fun combo to bring when travelling, i´m sure
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So, here's the bug report for v 1.1.0:

1 - Sometimes Razz will start up and load the first preset in the list rather than the most recently saved preset.

2 - Sometimes the clock detection will pick up the internal clock rather than the incoming MIDI clock when Razz receives a MIDI start command, especially if the internal tempo is significantly faster than the MIDI clock.

3 - If you enter the wav file selection menu while running the sequencer via MIDI clock/sending MIDI data to the Razz, and then select the "play" option to hear the wav files in the list, upon exiting the menu, sometimes the last selected wav file in the list starts playing repeatedly as long as the clock is running. The only way to get it to stop playing is to restart the Razz. This is a strange one that I only experienced once; I think it became confused by the large amount of MIDI I was sending it while being in that particular menu.

Bug #1 is not really a big deal, just annoying, and #3, while certainly problematic, is hard to replicate so it's also probably a nonissue. #2 though is a real problem; I wish they would just give me the option to select the clock source from a menu rather than an auto-detect thing that doesn't work.

EDIT: Update on #3 - I realized that if you accidentally leave the "play" option on and exit the wav selection menu, the glitch playing can just start to happen at any time while you're sending MIDI data to Razz.
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So, has anyone found a way to remove the weird metallic noise / uzz / profound aliasing at the end of bassy or midrange noises? Sounds like this: I was able to get it very clear in this video: it seems to be attached to the end of anything low and it's quite present. Are people programming around this noise? I can't filter it out in the software it seems. It essentially prevents me from being able to use this in any tracks because that noise is always present.
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jdlesemajeste wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:26 am So, has anyone found a way to remove the weird metallic noise / uzz / profound aliasing at the end of bassy or midrange noises? Sounds like this: I was able to get it very clear in this video: it seems to be attached to the end of anything low and it's quite present. Are people programming around this noise? I can't filter it out in the software it seems. It essentially prevents me from being able to use this in any tracks because that noise is always present.
is it present when you use just samples? try put the OS/WAV mix 100% to the sample and try again
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It is only present for the synthesis. If I use samples the noise is not there.
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