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Re: Gotharman's Urano - modular groove box and Eurorack companion :)

Post by Fayette » Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:17 pm

gotharman wrote:
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I was wondering if controlling/advancing the sequencers with other sequencers or Lfo’s etc is possible?
Currently it is not possible to make this connection internally, but I will have a look at it...
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Post by Exiannyc » Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:51 pm

If a trigger could advance a sequencer...

And if anything can be a trigger...

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Post by nangu » Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:17 am

The most fun way to advance a sequencer that I’ve seen is the midi-note staircase on Analogue Solutions stuff.

Every ascending note calls the next step. So a simple ascending staircase plays the pattern. Messing with that staircase reshuffles the pattern..

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Post by flx » Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:33 am

nangu wrote:
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The most fun way to advance a sequencer that I’ve seen is the midi-note staircase on Analogue Solutions stuff.

Every ascending note calls the next step. So a simple ascending staircase plays the pattern. Messing with that staircase reshuffles the pattern..
Hehe, the Gotharman synths already have a similar sequencer feature called "Position", which you can even modulate. So you program a sequence of steps which you can then shift around. So you can play the note on step 1 on step 12 for example. I demonstrate this on the LD3 in this video at 8:04.

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Post by nangu » Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:51 am

Yeah- that’s awesome! Actually, that feature might be there because I suggested it way back in LD1 days. So It’s probably my fault..

I’m talking about using incoming midi notes instead of onboard control tracks, though. Which would make it super fun for people who use external sequencers…. :)

The best part of Gotharman gear is the amazing user support. Flemming is a hero. If you ask for a feature that isn’t blatantly stupid, it’ll probably get rolled into the next update.

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Post by stikygum » Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:23 pm

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This looks great Flemming! I like the screen - I was wondering if the screen is as big as the Fuzion?

Also curious if the name Urano is meant to be the spanish/italian word for Uranus.
Thank you very much! Yes, the screen is 4.3" like Fuzion.

Actually I named it Uranuz at first, but a friend told me, that this word could be pronounced in a pretty bad way, so it was changed :) I didn't actually check, if it meant anything :)
Curious if Uranuz means something in Dutch.

I mean, here at ModWiggler (still weird to not say Muffs), we would be all for Uranuz :omg: the ultimate ModWiggler machine :mrgreen:
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Post by stikygum » Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:24 pm

On the Urano, it seems like there is room for 16 x0x buttons, but I was wondering why the decision was made to do 8 buttons instead. That was one thing I really liked about the LD3, having 16 x0x buttons at all times for a sequence.
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stikygum wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:23 pm
gotharman wrote:
Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:05 am
stikygum wrote:
Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:54 pm
This looks great Flemming! I like the screen - I was wondering if the screen is as big as the Fuzion?

Also curious if the name Urano is meant to be the spanish/italian word for Uranus.
Thank you very much! Yes, the screen is 4.3" like Fuzion.

Actually I named it Uranuz at first, but a friend told me, that this word could be pronounced in a pretty bad way, so it was changed :) I didn't actually check, if it meant anything :)
Curious if Uranuz means something in Dutch.

I mean, here at ModWiggler (still weird to not say Muffs), we would be all for Uranuz :omg: the ultimate ModWiggler machine :mrgreen:
Hmmm, yeah, I somehow also liked Uranuz better :) Maybe I should change the name back...

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Post by gotharman » Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:53 am

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On the Urano, it seems like there is room for 16 x0x buttons, but I was wondering why the decision was made to do 8 buttons instead. That was one thing I really liked about the LD3, having 16 x0x buttons at all times for a sequence.
This is because it started its life in a Tiny LD box. And when it grew bigger, I already had all the button assignments set up, and it already worked quite well, to my opinion. And it only has 8 parts. By holding down the modules/Bar Sel button, you can pretty quickly switch between the sequencer "half bars".

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I have a question about the Urano. How do the LFOs differ from oscillators internally? Can they be used as oscillators? I ask because if I buy an Urano I plan to use it often as stand-alone full-track machine, and 8 oscillators seems slightly limiting. I was hoping to be able to do some paraphonic sounds without using most of the sound generation resources.

Also, If you wanted different filter boards other than the default boards, could you get the non-default boards for whatever the cost difference is?

Thanks!
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Post by Net » Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:18 pm

What an exciting machine this looks to be. Wonderful, Flemming!

Might there any chance of patch randomisation à la LD3 or even parameter randomisation à la VCVRack?

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Post by Fayette » Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:37 am

After going through the manual again I’ve got another question. Is stereo sampling and playback of samples not going to happen or something you’re considering? I can definitely live without it, but it’s a very useful option to have, one of the things I like about the LD3.

Also, is there a way to make it spit out s-trigs? I’m curious about controlling/triggering my old ms20 with it.

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Post by rayce » Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:46 am

If anyone is on the fence on ordering one of these it looks like there is only 2 left. With chip shortages who knows if Flemming will be able to build anymore anytime soon.

Such a cool looking box. Can't wait to integrate this with the modular. I see it as the heart of a modular synth based studio.

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Post by flx » Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:55 am

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Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:40 pm
How do the LFOs differ from oscillators internally? Can they be used as oscillators? I ask because if I buy an Urano I plan to use it often as stand-alone full-track machine, and 8 oscillators seems slightly limiting.
While I don’t think that 8 VCOs is limiting on a modular synth (maybe the LD3 is a better para-/polyphonic stand-alone device for your use cases?), I do like the idea of also using the LFOs as audio oscillators :tu: I need to try that out on my anAmoNo X and see how far up into audio range they go on there. Not sure if their pitch can be made to track a keyboard input though. On the Urano I assume that patching the LFOs to audio mixers should be easy.

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I have some ideas for additional waveform draw modes besides normal and art :mrgreen:
- “sine”: a touch draws a full sine wave on the screen, touch Y axis defines amplitude, touch X axis defines frequency
- “reset”: a touch resets the value at the touch’s X position to the middle, Y axis is ignored
- “inv”: a touch inverts the value at the touch’s X position, Y axis is ignored (or maybe Y axis scales the inversion?)
- “rnd”: a touch randomizes the whole waveform on the screen (or maybe just at the X position?). Y axis defines the strength/amount. Like the % value on the sequencer TMP screen when using the note randomizer.
- “bit”: a touch reduces the bit depth of the whole waveform on the screen. Y axis defines the amount of bit depth reduction.

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Post by quartzite » Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:46 am

Well, I pulled the trigger on one! I honestly don't know if I really needed it alongside all the iOS modular-y stuff I already do, but the raw digital sounds, integrated filters and patching potential of the Urano were hard to deny.

(Tip for Non-EU buyers: paypal charges a hefty fee if you let them do the currency conversion (~5% instead of the ~1% banks charge). I was able to get around this by checking out as a guest and setting the payment currency as euros.
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flx wrote:
Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:55 am
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How do the LFOs differ from oscillators internally? Can they be used as oscillators? I ask because if I buy an Urano I plan to use it often as stand-alone full-track machine, and 8 oscillators seems slightly limiting.
While I don’t think that 8 VCOs is limiting on a modular synth (maybe the LD3 is a better para-/polyphonic stand-alone device for your use cases?), I do like the idea of also using the LFOs as audio oscillators :tu: I need to try that out on my anAmoNo X and see how far up into audio range they go on there. Not sure if their pitch can be made to track a keyboard input though. On the Urano I assume that patching the LFOs to audio mixers should be easy.
It only seems limiting if you think of the Urano as an 8-part instrument (which is the default patching as how I understand it). Only one OSC per part seems like you could run out. Obviously most of the OSCs are awesome complex beasts, but I'm still hoping I can swing some LFO usage to be able to build some occasional subtractive-y sound (e.g. a 3 osc mono synth).

Looking at the manual it does say the LFOs can be key-synced (or is that just bpm sync?), so I'm hoping there will at least be some potential
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Post by flx » Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:33 am

… aaand pre-orders seem to be closed. Really happy for Flemming that there is good demand for this box apparently :yay:
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Looking at the manual it does say the LFOs can be key-synced (or is that just bpm sync?)
Key sync resets the LFO on each key press, which is nice when using them as envelopes. You can also modulate the frequency with a sequencer track I think, but you may have to dial in the notes precisely, because it’s not quantized to semitones then I think.
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Post by stikygum » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:26 am

gotharman wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:53 am
stikygum wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:24 pm
On the Urano, it seems like there is room for 16 x0x buttons, but I was wondering why the decision was made to do 8 buttons instead. That was one thing I really liked about the LD3, having 16 x0x buttons at all times for a sequence.
This is because it started its life in a Tiny LD box. And when it grew bigger, I already had all the button assignments set up, and it already worked quite well, to my opinion. And it only has 8 parts. By holding down the modules/Bar Sel button, you can pretty quickly switch between the sequencer "half bars".
Oh I see. I really like the 16 steps on my LD3. Would you be willing to do a custom Urano with 16 x0x step buttons on it? I know it would cost more, but I would be quite interested in that. I'm really big on workflow and creating 64 step sequences. I've had other pieces of gear like the Akai Force that caused me to press more buttons than were needed to do simple things and I eventually sold it because it slowed down my workflow too much. I'm not saying the 8 buttons don't work well. But for me personally, for how I like to work, 16 x0x buttons help my workflow quite a bit. I know you're sold out of the Urano now, but I would be interested in buying a Urano if/when you get more chips and you were willing to do a 16 x0x button version.
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Post by nangu » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:33 am

I would pay extra to upgrade to 16 step buttons. :sb:

Looks awesome as-is, btw. Just putting in my (more than) two cents.. :lol:

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Post by nangu » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:07 am

Here’s a (possibly) more realistic idea- phase correction.

If I bounce a Urano track out to my Euro and then record the result, the Euro track will slip forward in time by the latency of Urano’s DAC, ADC, and perhaps whatever other processing happens along the way. So if I wanted to record a full-wet version of the Euro stuff and then overlay that with the original Urano sample later to get an artificial wet/dry mix, they might be smeared in time enough to cause phase issues.

Could be nice to have a ‘delete latency’ button in the sample editor that would subtract the DAC/ADC delay from the front of the sample.

Or maybe I’m just nuts, and overthinking things. That’s a distinct possibility.. :lol:

Perhaps because it’s your hardware and your code, the bounce timing is much tighter than most other stuff anyway..

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quartzite wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:40 pm
I have a question about the Urano. How do the LFOs differ from oscillators internally? Can they be used as oscillators? I ask because if I buy an Urano I plan to use it often as stand-alone full-track machine, and 8 oscillators seems slightly limiting. I was hoping to be able to do some paraphonic sounds without using most of the sound generation resources.

Also, If you wanted different filter boards other than the default boards, could you get the non-default boards for whatever the cost difference is?

Thanks!
Generally I would say, that the LFO's are not suited for audio. They do go a little bit up in the audio range, but their pitch in this range is not as stable as the oscillators, and they are pretty hard to tune.

Sure, Urano can be delivered with different filter boards, but since the standard ones are dual channel, it will have less analog filters available, with other filter boards installed.

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Post by gotharman » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:35 am

Net wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:18 pm
What an exciting machine this looks to be. Wonderful, Flemming!

Might there any chance of patch randomisation à la LD3 or even parameter randomisation à la VCVRack?
Thank you very much!

It has LD3 style patch randomization.

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