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Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by musicweasel » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:24 am

What do you think? I have a Juno 106 here that's I guess is worth $1200? Looking at the xm seems like it it is loaded with more sound options, is portable etc... thoughts?

EDIT - oh wow, the price of a Juno-106 has gone up quite a bit since I bought mine. Looks like it's worth $2k+ now.

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by 12eightyfive » Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:16 am

No no no. I say never trade something you can't get again (Juno) for something you can easily get. It isn't just about the price.

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by ObsoleteModular » Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:42 am

If you don't place a personal value on the Juno, over and above its monetary value, then an exchange of anything you're more interested in that matches it's value is worth trading for, to you.

Unless you want to sit on it as an investment in which case you have to weigh up the fact it does have investment value, and to what value your investment might appreciate to when you cash in said investment, against the reality that something like the Xm never will have any investment value.

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by chvad » Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:27 pm

I wouldn’t

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by Sir Ruff » Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:53 pm

Number one rule of being a gear collector vs being a gear user is to put value/rarity over function. Just decide which you want to do and take from there.

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by nuromantix » Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:37 am

Sell it, buy an XM, do something else with the rest of the money. Juno is worth more than the XM at the moment.

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by mor4sso » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:43 am

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by musicweasel » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:06 pm

It’s interesting, some of the responses... more from a synth enthusiast perspective.. which is totally fine. I’m not a gear collector and from an investment perspective it’s sort of a mediocre yield eh? I make a lot of music though... I am always looking for a new sounds and am not “attached” to any gear. For me it’s really about sound design and practicality. Don’t get me wrong, I do like my Juno a lot and have made several releases w it. Nice pads, bass etc. just wondering if an xm would have the same sound and then some ...

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by Bachelard » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:23 pm

musicweasel wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:06 pm
It’s interesting, some of the responses... more from a synth enthusiast perspective.. which is totally fine. I’m not a gear collector and from an investment perspective it’s sort of a mediocre yield eh? I make a lot of music though... I am always looking for a new sounds and am not “attached” to any gear. For me it’s really about sound design and practicality. Don’t get me wrong, I do like my Juno a lot and have made several releases w it. Nice pads, bass etc. just wondering if an xm would have the same sound and then some ...
Probably.
I like that you don't fetishize the Juno. I'm almost positive the XM can do much more from a sound design perspective, and on paper, than a Juno. So can VSTs, for that matter. If you're a working musician/sound designer, the other thing to consider is interface - the Juno, being an analog synth, has a really transparent, hands-on interface that will allow you to "access" the synthesizer in a very different way from the Jupiter XM, which has quite a lot under the hood.

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by 3hands » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:30 pm

12eightyfive wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:16 am
No no no. I say never trade something you can't get again (Juno) for something you can easily get. It isn't just about the price.
Can’t get again? They’re like rats, you’re never more than 3 metres away from one of them!


I’ve owned multiple 106s in my time, and after about 3 weeks, all the presets sound the same. I ended up getting a Jupiter 6, and haven’t looked back. I can’t speak to the XM, but based on what Roland has done with some of their other emulations, I would say the XM can do cartwheels around it. And I’m a gear collector, and it’s mainly old stuff!! :)
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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by everydaycurry » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:39 pm

I live in a metro area of ~7mn people, I’ve seen maybe three classic Junos (6/60/106) listed in the last year, none for less than $2k.

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:04 pm

id hold onto it. its only gone up in value over the years and will continue to do so. its the least acclaimed of the junos but a total classic in its own right. the xm is just another roland cash grab at best.
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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by jabberwalky » Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:46 am

As you mentioned, sound design and practicality are the most important to you, which the Juno lacks in both. What it has, as Bachelard mentioned, is immediacy and simplicity.

Can't speak for the XM. It seems cool, but overpriced.
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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by Blairio » Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:27 pm

Can an XM sound like a Juno 106? Almost certainly. Roland have grown very good at modelling their back catalogue product's behaviour.

However, in situations like this it is all the non-functional considerations that tend to take precedence, such as Profit Motive, Fetishism, and Cult Of Reputation. If you are an adult, you should make up your own mind.

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by PeteCT » Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:42 pm

$1,095 in 1984, adjusted for inflation, is $2,815 in 2021. The Juno has, at best, held its value.

The Dow Jones was 1,180 in 1984, and it's 34,500 today.

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by gruebleengourd » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:07 pm

To be honest, I don't see any reason to keep a juno 106. It's not the best at anything, and what it does well, so do many other synths.
I would whole heartedly recommend selling it, if you can find a buyer at 2k.

OTOH, I don't think I'd recommend a roland jupiter xm as a replacement. If you can get 2k, that's prophet 6 desktop territory. Save up a bit more and you can get a udo super 6. Lots of good options in that ballpark.

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by synthichap » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:17 pm

I can't believe anyone would pay $2k for a 106.
Replacement of the 6 voices is inevitable and costly, which should have been enough to keep the value down by itself.
They're not rare either, so I can't fathom that price.

It's a nice enough synth to enjoy as long as you accept its limitations.
I like the form factor, typography and simplicity.
Nice square-wave bass sounds and simple pads.
If you work with restraint, it's actually rather a lovely thing.

As for trading for some modern Roland? Nope.
They all sound horrible, look awful and will be worth pennies on the dollar in 5 years.
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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by ObsoleteModular » Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:07 pm

gruebleengourd wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:07 pm
To be honest, I don't see any reason to keep a juno 106. It's not the best at anything, and what it does well, so do many other synths.
I would whole heartedly recommend selling it, if you can find a buyer at 2k.

OTOH, I don't think I'd recommend a roland jupiter xm as a replacement. If you can get 2k, that's prophet 6 desktop territory. Save up a bit more and you can get a udo super 6. Lots of good options in that ballpark.
Yes, if it's Juno 106 versus modern poly analog (Super 6's FPGA being an exception, it sounds lovely) rather than Juno 106 versus Roland's DSP code in a plastic box, a modern poly analog wins for me.

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by Mind Flayer » Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:20 pm

All comes down to what you want. I have a Juno-106 and there’s no way in hell I’d sell it to fund an XM. It’s not just about the sound - I also love the look, feel, interface of the 106. Nothing against the XM, I’m sure it sounds great.

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by dubonaire » Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:19 pm

ObsoleteModular wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:07 pm
gruebleengourd wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:07 pm
To be honest, I don't see any reason to keep a juno 106. It's not the best at anything, and what it does well, so do many other synths.
I would whole heartedly recommend selling it, if you can find a buyer at 2k.

OTOH, I don't think I'd recommend a roland jupiter xm as a replacement. If you can get 2k, that's prophet 6 desktop territory. Save up a bit more and you can get a udo super 6. Lots of good options in that ballpark.
Yes, if it's Juno 106 versus modern poly analog (Super 6's FPGA being an exception, it sounds lovely) rather than Juno 106 versus Roland's DSP code in a plastic box, a modern poly analog wins for me.
I don't see any reason to keep a Juno 106 either. It's a very basic synth and getting very old. I think they are ridiculously over priced now. I'd probably opt for a Super 6 as a replacement too and I have a Rev2 which I love. I would get a Rev2 over a Prophet 6.

But don't underestimate what Roland has done with its latest software incarnation. It's very powerful and I honestly think you'd have to be some kind of freak to differentiate between the analogue and the modelled especially in the mix.

Also - the Roland Jupiter-X and Jupiter-Xm are metal cases. They are a far cry from those horrible luminous plastic things. I think the Jupiter-X would be a great synth to own if you love Roland sounds.

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by DigitalNativeDunce » Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:48 pm

You could get that Softube 106 emulation that just came out if you sold the Juno and then want to scratch the old itch - sounds dead on!

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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by jsleeio » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:13 am

start putting some cash away, and when you have enough, sell the 106 and order a Deckard's Dream with the combined funds
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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by boops » Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:42 am

Keep your 106,it will give you a ton of inspiration ,track it and so easy to mix at the end,it’s a must have synth.imho.
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Re: Worth trading a Juno 106 for a Jupiter xm?

Post by jsleeio » Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:13 am

DigitalNativeDunce wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:48 pm
You could get that Softube 106 emulation that just came out if you sold the Juno and then want to scratch the old itch - sounds dead on!
I'm sure the various emulations are right on, but I think this is mostly missing the point of the 106. As other folks have said above. It's a very tactile and direct instrument. Fader-per-function. That's why I've kept mine

I've also noticed that in pretty much all Instagram "this is my studio" posts**, even when the proper rocketships like Jupiter 8, CS-80, OB-X, etc are visible, there's pretty much always a Juno somewhere too.

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