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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by thevegasnerve » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:54 am

anselmi wrote:
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honestly all what the official literature said about the differences between the sub-37 and the subsequent is subtle in practice...I had both side by side, and compared a lot of the same patches (by programming it in panel mode) and I could managed to do the same in both synth with little or no difference at all

any different experience to share? maybe the difference is in some patches that I´m not interested in program
thats good to hear. I find the keys fine on the Sub37 too.

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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:59 am

anselmi wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:46 am
honestly all what the official literature said about the differences between the sub-37 and the subsequent is subtle in practice...I had both side by side, and compared a lot of the same patches (by programming it in panel mode) and I could managed to do the same in both synth with little or no difference at all

any different experience to share? maybe the difference is in some patches that I´m not interested in program
what do you primarily use yours for?
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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by anselmi » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:21 pm

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:59 am
anselmi wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:46 am
honestly all what the official literature said about the differences between the sub-37 and the subsequent is subtle in practice...I had both side by side, and compared a lot of the same patches (by programming it in panel mode) and I could managed to do the same in both synth with little or no difference at all

any different experience to share? maybe the difference is in some patches that I´m not interested in program
what do you primarily use yours for?
I don´t really know how to describe it... I mean, I use it for virtually everything (bass, leads, pads, percussion) but I like all of them like being very frontal, in yer face sounds, but not TOO harsh...massive bass, cutting leads and the like, in the hard way but "creamy"... I like saturation a lot, and have a nice collection of units that makes good use of it, but I think that too much just kill the tone and detail... I also don´t use the kind of "soft" sounds that some people do, so maybe this makes a difference

I remember trying 1-oscillator sounds, different filter modes, resonance settings, levels at the mixer and also the multi-drive, being the last what sounds different when you push it hard, and for me this just enters the zone that kills the tone. And even in this kinds of sounds the sub-37 delivers a slightly more "rounded" saturation that pleased me more.

here there is an old comparison (not mine)




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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:37 pm

anselmi wrote:
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I don´t really know how to describe it... I mean, I use it for virtually everything (bass, leads, pads, percussion) but I like all of them like being very frontal, in yer face sounds, but not TOO harsh...massive bass, cutting leads and the like, in the hard way but "creamy"... I like saturation a lot, and have a nice collection of units that makes good use of it, but I think that too much just kill the tone and detail... I also don´t use the kind of "soft" sounds that some people do, so maybe this makes a difference.
yeah im not a distortion freak either. i just picked up the subsequent 37. gonna rip some ebm with it.
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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

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Post by hawkfuzz » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:40 pm

Glad you got it!
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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by umma gumma » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:09 pm

[quote="Red Electric Rainbow" post_id=3475667 time=1614717429 yeah im not a distortion freak either. i just picked up the subsequent 37. gonna rip some ebm with it.
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you can't beat E flat minor, when it's time to rip!!


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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:52 pm

umma gumma wrote:
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you can't beat E flat minor, when it's time to rip!!


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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by anselmi » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:54 am

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:41 pm
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congrats!

I was about to sell my Sub-37 and buy a Matriarch, but I´m not 100% sure of this
The build quality of the 37 feels more solid than the Matriarch´s plastic case, that it´s not bad but you can´t beat metal and wood synth cases.
And I discovered that I just saved like 15 patches in 6 years, so memory is not my priority and the connectivity, delay, extra filter and paraphony of the Matriarch looks better to me.
Anyway, the 37 it´s a gorgeous instrument and it will not be easy to let it go

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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:29 am

anselmi wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:54 am
Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:41 pm
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congrats!

I was about to sell my Sub-37 and buy a Matriarch, but I´m not 100% sure of this
The build quality of the 37 feels more solid than the Matriarch´s plastic case, that it´s not bad but you can´t beat metal and wood synth cases.
And I discovered that I just saved like 15 patches in 6 years, so memory is not my priority and the connectivity, delay, extra filter and paraphony of the Matriarch looks better to me.
Anyway, the 37 it´s a gorgeous instrument and it will not be easy to let it go
the matriarch is really cool. 4 osc and tons of patch play. the built in delay is pretty too.
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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by thevegasnerve » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:47 am

anselmi wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:54 am
Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:41 pm
38E61FBD-5735-48A7-ADC8-05748FB6AB1C.jpeg
congrats!

I was about to sell my Sub-37 and buy a Matriarch, but I´m not 100% sure of this
The build quality of the 37 feels more solid than the Matriarch´s plastic case, that it´s not bad but you can´t beat metal and wood synth cases.
And I discovered that I just saved like 15 patches in 6 years, so memory is not my priority and the connectivity, delay, extra filter and paraphony of the Matriarch looks better to me.
Anyway, the 37 it´s a gorgeous instrument and it will not be easy to let it go
the aesthetics alone of the Sub37 will probably keep me from selling, and the beat frequency knob. Ha! Seriously, it sorta ties the room together.

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Post by hawkfuzz » Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:00 am

It’s amazing. I should’ve held on a little longer. I could barely get $900 with a hardcase. I miss it.
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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:43 am

anselmi wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:54 am
And I discovered that I just saved like 15 patches in 6 years
its not about how many patches you make but what you do with the ones you do make.
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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

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Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:43 am
anselmi wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:54 am
And I discovered that I just saved like 15 patches in 6 years
its not about how many patches you make but what you do with the ones you do make.
unless your goal is to make patches... :hyper:

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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by Richard deHove » Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:08 pm

I never thought I'd sell my Subsequent-37, but did last week. No regrets so far, although time will tell. Motivation was to get completely out of the box which meant getting a good poly synth. I've set my heart on an OB6 but that meant selling the Sub37 to help finance it. Over halfway there now.

The first four banks of sounds on the 37 I wrote over with bass and drones. Reminds me of many years ago selling a Poly800 MkII, then after years finding it again in a music shop. The patches I'd made on it (and a couple of case stickers) were all still there untouched!

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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by anselmi » Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:28 pm

thevegasnerve wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:52 pm
Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:43 am
anselmi wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:54 am
And I discovered that I just saved like 15 patches in 6 years
its not about how many patches you make but what you do with the ones you do make.
unless your goal is to make patches... :hyper:
hahaha! indeed!

by that I meant that I never saved the majority of the patches I did ... my workplace is in safe panel mode since I always start from scratch ... so having memory locations on this type of synth is irrelevant to me
I imagine if I´d play in a band and have to use it live, this would be a great value, but I just took it out for some master classes and I also start from scratch in this situation.

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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by minimalist » Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:42 am

Richard deHove wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:08 pm
...... Reminds me of many years ago selling a Poly800 MkII, then after years finding it again in a music shop. The patches I'd made on it (and a couple of case stickers) were all still there untouched!
That is so cool. Did you buy it back? Did it cost more or less than what you sold it for?

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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by Richard deHove » Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:52 pm

minimalist wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:42 am
Richard deHove wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:08 pm
...... Reminds me of many years ago selling a Poly800 MkII, then after years finding it again in a music shop. The patches I'd made on it (and a couple of case stickers) were all still there untouched!
That is so cool. Did you buy it back? Did it cost more or less than what you sold it for?
Was back in the day before vintage gear became popular again - not that the Poly 800 MkII has ever been highly valued. Didn't end up buying it, although I did love the MkII. It had a great delay and the fact you could power it with batteries was great at gigs. I played live lots of times on battery power! In the end I bought a DW8000 instead.

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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by minimalist » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:21 am

Richard deHove wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:52 pm
minimalist wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:42 am
Richard deHove wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:08 pm
...... Reminds me of many years ago selling a Poly800 MkII, then after years finding it again in a music shop. The patches I'd made on it (and a couple of case stickers) were all still there untouched!
That is so cool. Did you buy it back? Did it cost more or less than what you sold it for?
Was back in the day before vintage gear became popular again - not that the Poly 800 MkII has ever been highly valued. Didn't end up buying it, although I did love the MkII. It had a great delay and the fact you could power it with batteries was great at gigs. I played live lots of times on battery power! In the end I bought a DW8000 instead.
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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:17 am

the poly 800 is a pretty bleak unit. the dw-8000 is supreme.
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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by thevegasnerve » Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:45 am

so my Sub37 headphone output needs repair (acting oddly sometimes). so my question is do I go for the Subsequent upgrade? kinda leaning towards it, although I have no serious issue with the sound, but extra dynamic range is always welcome I guess.

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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by MARK27 » Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:41 pm

I considered going for the upgrade. In fact, I almost did. However, before I started the process, I ended up reading posts by a number of people who preferred the sound of the original Sub37 amplifier/saturation circuit.

If I remember correctly, there were a number of Sub37 upgrades you could do, from just replacing the headphone circuit board to replacing all the innards.

Honestly, the differences are so minor, I have always had better ways of spending $300.

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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by Blairio » Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:28 pm

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:17 am
the poly 800 is a pretty bleak unit. the dw-8000 is supreme.
The DW8000 was my first proper polysynth after a Casio CZ101. I have a soft spot for both, but the DW8000 sounded effortlessly immense. There was a scale and polish to its patches.

Years later I bought a Wavestation EX and was delighted to find this had a set of waveforms from the DW8000.

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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by thevegasnerve » Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:27 pm

MARK27 wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:41 pm
I considered going for the upgrade. In fact, I almost did. However, before I started the process, I ended up reading posts by a number of people who preferred the sound of the original Sub37 amplifier/saturation circuit.

If I remember correctly, there were a number of Sub37 upgrades you could do, from just replacing the headphone circuit board to replacing all the innards.

Honestly, the differences are so minor, I have always had better ways of spending $300.
good points. I do like the sound as it is.

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Re: Moog Subsequent 37

Post by Winglad » Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:50 am

thevegasnerve wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:27 pm
MARK27 wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:41 pm
I considered going for the upgrade. In fact, I almost did. However, before I started the process, I ended up reading posts by a number of people who preferred the sound of the original Sub37 amplifier/saturation circuit.

If I remember correctly, there were a number of Sub37 upgrades you could do, from just replacing the headphone circuit board to replacing all the innards.

Honestly, the differences are so minor, I have always had better ways of spending $300.
good points. I do like the sound as it is.
Then all is well! Stick with what you are happy! I never upgraded my Voyager neither…

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