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Moog Subsequent 37

Post by billyk419 » Wed May 17, 2017 8:37 am

Haven't seen a thread for this yet, but it is quite exciting. I've been on the fence about the Sub 37 for over a year now. This might seal the deal...

https://www.moogmusic.com/news/announci ... uent-37-cv

EDIT: did not see this would be a limited run :hmm:
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Post by DMR » Wed May 17, 2017 9:03 am

It seems to be more expensive than the Sub 37 ($1800 street vs. $1500 street). Are the few upgrades are worth the cost? It seems a bit bizarre to me to release such a marginally upgraded product, since it's the kind of thing that annoys buyers of the original version.

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Post by Flareless » Wed May 17, 2017 9:11 am

I'm really hopeful (but doubtful) that there will be an upgrade kit available for all us long-time, loyal Sub 37 users.

I just posted the question on the Moog forum. Stay Tuned....
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Post by fnordboy » Wed May 17, 2017 9:19 am

Flareless wrote:I'm really hopeful (but doubtful) that there will be an upgrade kit available for all us long-time, loyal Sub 37 users.
Would love to hear this be true. (but like you I doubt it)

I love my Sub 37, I can not afford to drop 1800 on a new one without selling this one... which I do not want to do. So my only option is going to be some kind of upgrade kit.

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Post by Oblivion » Wed May 17, 2017 9:21 am

At first I was :bang: that I've somewhat recently, FINALLY, bought a Sub 37 and now this comes out, but for the :75: ? Nah, I'm good.

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Post by xthrasherx » Wed May 17, 2017 9:21 am

DMR wrote:It seems to be more expensive than the Sub 37 ($1800 street vs. $1500 street). Are the few upgrades are worth the cost? It seems a bit bizarre to me to release such a marginally upgraded product, since it's the kind of thing that annoys buyers of the original version.
Couldn't agree more. I really wish my Sub 37 played with my modular, so I am happy to see they are making a change, but it doesn't really help me at all at this point.
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Post by thevegasnerve » Wed May 17, 2017 9:48 am

Looks like some nice improvements to the Sub37.

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Post by ludotex » Wed May 17, 2017 9:52 am

I got my sub37 a few month ago and I love it, but I really like this version better. I would have got this one if it was available. Hoping for an upgradable version.
I especially like the headroom added to the mixer, sounds like you'll be able to make even crazier sounds with it: :bananaguitar:
The SUBSEQUENT 37 CV’s mixer now has double the headroom of the Sub 37 Tribute Edition. Taking advantage of the mixer’s newfound flexibility, the gain-staging of the Ladder filter has been reshaped to boost harmonic saturation and analog compression. Completing the sonic evolution is a re-tuned Multidrive circuit that extends well beyond the grit and growl of the original Sub 37.
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Post by exoreality » Wed May 17, 2017 10:04 am

At first I was confused because it looked like it was dropping midi support.:despair: But now I've realized the CV outs are on the opposite side of the unit.

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Post by rowsbywoof » Wed May 17, 2017 10:12 am

Sub 37 owner here, as well. Love the additions to the Subsequent, but not enough to sell my Sub 37. Looks cool, though. I too would have picked this model and paid the couple hundred premium had it been available when I got mine.
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Post by EPTC » Wed May 17, 2017 10:19 am

DMR wrote:Are the few upgrades are worth the cost?
I'm not picking up a sub37 in either format, but how are six assignable cv/gate outputs considered few upgrades? I'd think that's pretty wonderful.

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I'm understanding things correctly that you can apply the cv from any configurable option, or am I wrong? that sounds pretty lovely to make the sub37 into a really ass kicking cv controller/generator.

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Post by motormenace » Wed May 17, 2017 10:22 am

....and probably still won't have the tempo displayed for the sequencer in the LCD....

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Post by EPTC » Wed May 17, 2017 10:40 am

Ah, I'm seeing in this thread viewtopic.php?t=137757&sid=7561a80678cf ... 60baf10097 that you can already assign the one CV out in the new firmware of the normal sub37 - that's interesting.

One thing that does occur to me though is I wonder how robust those outputs might be for eurorack. Moog gate CV might need to be amplified to 10v (from 5v) to properly gate trigger some modular pieces. But I do love the look of the upgrade with multiple outs; I'd bite on it if I weren't saving cash for another item.

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Post by paramnesia » Wed May 17, 2017 10:44 am

Sub37 Tribute Edition does not have CV OUT, only CV IN
EPTC wrote:Ah, I'm seeing in this thread viewtopic.php?t=137757&sid=7561a80678cf ... 60baf10097 that you can already assign the one CV out in the new firmware of the normal sub37 - that's interesting.

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Post by EPTC » Wed May 17, 2017 10:46 am

A genuine huge announcement from Moog would be a desktop version of the Sub 37. I just can't add another keyboard to my room without looking like a thrift store hoarder to visitors. If they added the cv upgrades to a desktop module, it'd be an amazing piece. The Slim was such a masterpiece - Totally has outlived the LP in appearance and utility. Once you start to get multiple synths, the keyboard becomes a total add-on, like shark fins on a car that takes up space and gets in the way; If moog's listening, I'd even pay more (or equal price) to not have a keyboard.

Why do they not offer more modules of these things?
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Post by EPTC » Wed May 17, 2017 10:47 am

paramnesia wrote:Sub37 Tribute Edition does not have CV OUT, only CV IN
Oh, thank you! That resets my thinking this is a great upgrade, then. Appreciated.

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Post by Nightly Closures » Wed May 17, 2017 10:58 am

If I didn't already have and love the sub37, this would be a no brainer...

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Post by Leescan » Wed May 17, 2017 11:06 am

this does look good for interfacing with modular, but doesn't the original have some cv stuff? i thought it did? also has this new one lost usb? I'm about to pull the trigger on a Sub 37 ( i still the original looks better ) and i liked the idea of using directly with Ableton (usb ) when not using the modular

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Post by needspeed » Wed May 17, 2017 11:32 am

From GC site - Nothing lost and something gained that I can tell from the below

New Features
Sound engine evolution – greater sonic dimension
More multidrive – wider range and dirtier than ever before
Room for two - more headroom means duo mode sounds even better
6 assignable outputs – modular connectivity with 4x cv outs and 2x gate outs
Upgraded keybed – lightweight with swift action, velocity and aftertouch
High-power headphone amp – cue up your next sound in the loudest of venues.
Limited edition -- 125 units produced worldwide

SPECIFICATIONS
Type: Programmable paraphonic analog synthesizer
Sound engine: 100% analog
Number of keys: 37
Type of keys: Semi-weighted with after pressure
Controllers: Pitch bend, mod wheel, after pressure, velocity
Polyphony: Selectable monophonic or duophonic
Sound sources: 2 variable waveshape oscillators, 1 square wave sub oscillator, 1 analog noise
Generator, 1 external input/filter feedback
Oscillator calibration range: 22hz-6.8khz. Guaranteed note range at 8’ of note 18 to 116
Mod sources: Triangle, square, saw, ramp, sample & hold, filter eg/pgm
Mod destinations: Osc 1 pitch, osc 2, osc 1 & 2 pitch, filter, lfo rate, vca level, osc 1 wave, Osc 2
Wave, Osc 1 & 2 wave, noise level, eg time, and programmable destinations
Filter: 20hz-20khz moog ladder filter w/ 6/12/18/24 db/oct filter slopes and multidrive
Audio input: 1xts
Audio output: 1xts, 1xtrs headphone
Presets: 256 presets - 16 banks, 16 patches per bank
Midi I/O: Din in, out, and midi over usb
CV/Gate inputs: Filter cv, pitch cv, volume cv, kb gate
CV/Gate outputs: 4x assignable cv and 2x assignable gate
Transposition: +/- 2 octaves
Lfo: 0.01hz - 1000hz
Weight: 22lbs / 10kg
Dimensions: 6.75 h x 26.375 w x 14.75 in.
Input voltage: 100 vac - 240 vac / 50 - 60 hz / 13w
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Post by dComposer » Wed May 17, 2017 12:01 pm

When I first got the email from Moog, I read it as there being a new Sub [with] 37 CV in/out (like the m32). All the black dots under the controls got me even more excited. Then I saw the 6 CV/Gate in/out on the side and heard sad, muted trumpet sounds. How cool would that have been though?

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Post by Jehos » Wed May 17, 2017 12:52 pm

Yeah, I'd be way more excited if there were lots of patch points. Any idea what "assignable" CV outs are? Like what sorts of things can you assign?

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Post by latigid on » Wed May 17, 2017 1:30 pm

dComposer wrote:When I first got the email from Moog, I read it as there being a new Sub [with] 37 CV in/out (like the m32). All the black dots under the controls got me even more excited. Then I saw the 6 CV/Gate in/out on the side and heard sad, muted trumpet sounds. How cool would that have been though?
Hehe, I had the same thought! "Wow, they added VCAs and CV outs, and you can now use the Sub37 as a semi-modular."

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Post by billyk419 » Wed May 17, 2017 1:42 pm

Jehos wrote:Yeah, I'd be way more excited if there were lots of patch points. Any idea what "assignable" CV outs are? Like what sorts of things can you assign?
Im assuming 1v/Oct, ADSR, velocity, aftertouch, lfo's, mod wheel?

Honestly kind of surprised Moog didn't detail that out a little more. I'm sure we'll get videos and demos in the next couple days :tu:
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Post by Jehos » Wed May 17, 2017 1:54 pm

I kinda figured something like that since two outputs are gates.

Weird that they baked in the ability to use the keyboard as a controller and charged all that extra for it. You could keep your current Sub 37 and spend the price difference on a MIDI module for your rack. Then you could use your Sub 37 as a controller, or any other controller you like.

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Post by SteeVtheRipper » Wed May 17, 2017 2:04 pm

With this close in price to the Matrix Brute what would you rather have?

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