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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by dankalmanson » Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:59 pm

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Nearly done with the last of the PCB testing. Just waiting for the last two to arrive. Then I just need to verify that they work as expected. Then I have to put some docs together for them.

I'm planning some form of sequencer, a crossfader, and am almost done with a new version of the Pulse Logic design. These aren't pictured here, as they're a little while out.

Here's what I've been working on for a while:

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Post by Delabelle » Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:36 pm

J3rk is on fire :sb:
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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

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Delabelle wrote:
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J3rk is on fire :sb:
Hell yeah dudes, love this stuff!

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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by J3RK » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:27 pm

Isaiah wrote:
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DING DONG @PUSHERMAN available soon
Cool! Which PCB is recommended for the VC-Fade? Is there a Serge/CGS format PCB available?
I’m not sure what is intended for the position on Delabelle’s panel, but in addition to that, I’m working on an SSI2164 based crossfader/panner similar to my old OTA-based FadeX. It’ll be an easier build, and better specced than my old one. I’m hoping to keep the PCB space low too. I don’t know that it would be a good fit for that panel, but it will be available at least.

Aside from full 9” panels, I’m planning to lay out a full new set for the new PCBs soon as well on a per-module basis. They’ll be FPDs, and I’ll just post them somewhere on this or the DIY forum for anyone to use or modify.
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Post by J3RK » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:14 pm

None of the wiring is done yet. :waah:

There are a few tight spots for mounting jacks and pots, so I may make a few very small tweaks.
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What a beast !
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Post by Delabelle » Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:45 pm

Here are the first 3 of a 10 or maybe more 1" modules in LW 4U format I am working on. Some are analog some are digital. Want to keep it simple to build with maximum of performance flexibility.
EGB = Bezier Curve EG
VCLF = Ladder filter
RSG = Random Signal Generator (crossing between Marbles and Turing)

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Post by J3RK » Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:00 pm

Nice!!!! I’ll lay out a 1U SSI VCO panel for cases where people don’t want a whole 9” panel.

I ran into an issue with the slew portion of the SuperStep board, so I have to make one more revision of that before it’s ready. However, I’ve started designing a slew that hasn’t been done as far as I’m aware, and will squish it into the place of the last one on the board.

I’ll post an update soon.

The rest of the boards are behaving well so far.
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Post by KSS » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:34 am

@Delabelle
Bezier curve eg. <--That's brilliant! :yay:

Bezier curves as a basis for a module :doh: :eek:

Need to understand more about this particular module, but the mere idea of Bezier for a module has my head spinning with possiblity. :hail:
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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by Prunesquallor » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:39 pm

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@Delabelle
Bezier curve eg. <--That's brilliant! :yay:

Bezier curves as a basis for a module :doh: :eek:

Need to understand more about this particular module, but the mere idea of Bezier for a module has my head spinning with possiblity. :hail:
OK, I'm thick. What's so special about Bezier curves?

@Delabelle, why not start your own thread about these very interesting modules? They could be dropped into any boat/rack, not just these, and it would be a shame for them to be buried here.
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Post by lud » Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:15 pm

+1 that's a good call. These modules look really cool!

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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by KSS » Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:42 pm

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OK, I'm thick. What's so special about Bezier curves?
Bezier curves are an extremely powerful -and variable- way to construct paths between two defined endpoints. They are the ultimate fit-to-need curve generation tool. Seen in CAD, animation, DTP, graphic, photo-editing, and more.

From a module perspective what makes them special is that they are defined by those end points and zero to many control points. The exciting part about that is the thought of using CV to adjust control points -both position and number, end points, on the fly.
We're not limited to log-lin-expl that we see in modules based on capacitor charging and discharging.
Modulating the control point or points positions via CV is a mind-blowing :doh: moment,

As with the other curves we already use in modules, Bezier's can be applied to both timing and level depending on where you send the output. Becoming applicable and useful to the Amplitude, Pitch, and Timbre-Tone of sound.

Thinking about it now :hmm: I'd fully expect Rossum's Control Forge to have these. <--I only briefly read about it when it came out. But it's a flexible CV generator with a visual aspect, so it'd be a surprise not to find Bezier's there. The Animoog APP for ipad is another I now remember seeing something like this on years ago when it came out.

It wouldn't really make sense to try to do this without using digital means, and that's probably what made the mind block about its potential value for me.
In other words, I'm quite sure I'm late to the party on this!

The wikipedia article on them is not too bad as a first step to understanding -see the moving graphics at the bottom of the page- but there are a huge number of sites from which to learn about them.

Delabelle will have to let us know more about their module, and I'll be looking out for this -and thinking about how my own modules might benefit from using Beziers- from now on.

Edit: Don Buchla made a module to provide adjustable curves between two points. But that was based on setpoints rather than Bezier's control points. Similar but very different.
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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by Prunesquallor » Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:53 am

KSS wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:42 pm
Prunesquallor wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:39 pm
OK, I'm thick. What's so special about Bezier curves?
Bezier curves are an extremely powerful -and variable- way to construct paths between two defined endpoints. They are the ultimate fit-to-need curve generation tool. Seen in CAD, animation, DTP, graphic, photo-editing, and more.

From a module perspective what makes them special is that they are defined by those end points and zero to many control points. The exciting part about that is the thought of using CV to adjust control points -both position and number, end points, on the fly.
We're not limited to log-lin-expl that we see in modules based on capacitor charging and discharging.
Modulating the control point or points positions via CV is a mind-blowing :doh: moment,

As with the other curves we already use in modules, Bezier's can be applied to both timing and level depending on where you send the output. Becoming applicable and useful to the Amplitude, Pitch, and Timbre-Tone of sound.

Thinking about it now :hmm: I'd fully expect Rossum's Control Forge to have these. <--I only briefly read about it when it came out. But it's a flexible CV generator with a visual aspect, so it'd be a surprise not to find Bezier's there. The Animoog APP for ipad is another I now remember seeing something like this on years ago when it came out.

It wouldn't really make sense to try to do this without using digital means, and that's probably what made the mind block about its potential value for me.
In other words, I'm quite sure I'm late to the party on this!

The wikipedia article on them is not too bad as a first step to understanding -see the moving graphics at the bottom of the page- but there are a huge number of sites from which to learn about them.

Delabelle will have to let us know more about their module, and I'll be looking out for this -and thinking about how my own modules might benefit from using Beziers- from now on.

Edit: Don Buchla made a module to provide adjustable curves between two points. But that was based on setpoints rather than Bezier's control points. Similar but very different.
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Post by Delabelle » Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:52 pm

Where should I put it then ?
Just a separate thread ?
What title ?

To be honest I just thought about making some nice small modules for my tiny boats and for the forthcoming golden boat.
And no wiring needed. You have a back pcb and a front pcb and then the panel.

Since Serge asked me not to go further with Serge based concepts and after that PRISM high school drama and a little chitchat with Dustin Stroh, i said to myself: oh well, let’s put the compass the other way around. I asked myself is there something else that Serge in 4u? Sure, after talking to Clee, Charlie, Dakota, Dustin there is.

I foresee I nice future in 4U tbh…

As far as I know, there is no commercially available module that outputs this curve.

The reason for the Bezier curve is that the mathematical formula is relatively simple and it is possible to draw an organic curve.
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Post by KSS » Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:17 pm

Just open a thread here called Delabelle 4U. And go from there.

I look forward to it!

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Post by Delabelle » Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:29 pm

KSS wrote:
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Just open a thread here called Delabelle 4U. And go from there.

I look forward to it!
Then it will be Mangoest 4U because that is the brands name :)

I ll post it with 3 other extra designs later on
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Post by synthcube » Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:32 pm

Delabelle wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:29 pm
KSS wrote:
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Just open a thread here called Delabelle 4U. And go from there.

I look forward to it!
Then it will be Mangoest 4U because that is the brands name :)

I ll post it with 3 other extra designs later on
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Post by J3RK » Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:04 pm

I may make a pot (and possibly switch and LED PCB for the SSI VCO. It would be a good place to start this practice I suppose. :lol: Might make building a bit more uniform for the format. I could also lay my smaller panels out to more closely match some of the others.

I’d leave my full 9” panels in my typical style though. I’ve been debating about doing a single 9” PCB + Panel PCB for the first two panels as well.

Looking forward to seeing the Mangoest thread too!

I made a curve generator, but it was just a sine shaper following a linear slope generator, so not hugely adjustable. Really interested to see the Bezzier module!
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Post by KSS » Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:06 pm

Panel PCBs are a double edged sword. Cuts both ways. If it's all PCB and panel together then it matters less. But part of Serge's legacy -now transferred to 4U more generally- is the many mods on panels by people looking for something a bit more, or different.

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Post by J3RK » Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:21 pm

KSS wrote:
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Panel PCBs are a double edged sword. Cuts both ways. If it's all PCB and panel together then it matters less. But part of Serge's legacy -now transferred to 4U more generally- is the many mods on panels by people looking for something a bit more, or different.

Little boxes on the hillside little boxes, and they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look the same.~Malvina Reynolds,1962
I actually don’t mind wiring, but it seems like more people refuse to wire these days. There was a time when I hated it, and would laugh when people said it was meditative. Now it’s meditative for me. :lol:
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Post by Prunesquallor » Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:18 am

Delabelle wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:29 pm
KSS wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:17 pm
Just open a thread here called Delabelle 4U. And go from there.

I look forward to it!
Then it will be Mangoest 4U because that is the brands name :)

I ll post it with 3 other extra designs later on
Nice! :party:
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J3RK wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:21 pm
KSS wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:06 pm
Panel PCBs are a double edged sword. Cuts both ways. If it's all PCB and panel together then it matters less. But part of Serge's legacy -now transferred to 4U more generally- is the many mods on panels by people looking for something a bit more, or different.

Little boxes on the hillside little boxes, and they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look the same.~Malvina Reynolds,1962
I actually don’t mind wiring, but it seems like more people refuse to wire these days. There was a time when I hated it, and would laugh when people said it was meditative. Now it’s meditative for me. :lol:
I actually enjoy the wiring too, but my recent projects have been a component PCB sandwich with a panel component one because that seems to be the way. I figure someone can ditch the panel one and fly wire if they want to do a different layout or mod the circuit.

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