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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by KSS » Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:01 am

Re: fancy sync switch

Doesn't it actually have an overly long actuation travel?

And a great propensity to snag and break long nails due to the encircling rim above the actuator when depressed?

That's what I've encountered in non-synth usages of this type pushbutton.
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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by J3RK » Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:20 pm

Hehehe! I think the travel is fine. I actually don't think it's ever going to need to be quickly engaged or disengaged. I could be wrong, but I think other than me pressing it a million times during demo clips, it would generally be on or off in a patch. (then again, someone could want to go insane on it... maybe?) :hihi:

The other funny thing, is that I'm actually driving the LED ring from the four quadrant multiplier output, because it's much more interesting, and includes both oscillators. Maybe a bit nonsensical, but I like the way it looks.

I suppose another option would be an arcade button, and latch logic. Then you could REALLY toggle it quickly. I do love arcade buttons.

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As far as breaking long nails, I do unfortunately think that could be the cost of having such a fancy Sync switch. :twisted:

It would be completely trivial to swap that big hole for one for another NKK toggle.

I just didn't want anyone to be able to vandalize my sync button.
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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by KSS » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:09 pm

As far as breaking long nails, I do unfortunately think that could be the cost of having such a fancy Sync switch. :twisted:
So what you're saying is.. If you have long nails. U cant touch this! ;)
I just didn't want anyone to be able to vandalize my sync button.
To the extreme I rock a mic sync like a vandal,

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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by syncretism » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:10 pm

KSS wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:01 am
Re: fancy sync switch

Doesn't it actually have an overly long actuation travel?

And a great propensity to snag and break long nails due to the encircling rim above the actuator when depressed?

That's what I've encountered in non-synth usages of this type pushbutton.
As someone who's had a Stroh module - the Spline Generator - with one of these elevator-style switches for a few years, I think I can speak to these questions.

"Overly long" is, of course, a subjective assessment. It's a firm and assertive push to enable cycling on the Spline generator, and that suits me fine. I'm pretty sure the majority of users can work work out tactile/muscle memory for disparate modules in a studio. I don't need the button equivalent of synth keyboard action for a task like enabling auto-cycling. If I wanted to make control over cycling some integral part of my performance, there are more effective ways to patch something like that up with logic and potentiometers or sequencers. I don't have a switchable oscillator sync unless I patch it up for myself. Most of the time, sync's either part of the patch or it isn't.

I don't have long nails, but I've certainly had untrimmed nails, and have yet to experience them as a physical impediment. If one's nails are long enough for this to be an issue with these push-bottom switches, I imagine that potentiometers and other buttons would be a more aggravating problem. Worst-case, there's always a knuckle, a will, and a way.

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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by syncretism » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:25 pm

J3RK wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:20 pm

I suppose another option would be an arcade button, and latch logic. Then you could REALLY toggle it quickly. I do love arcade buttons.
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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by J3RK » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:53 pm

KSS wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:09 pm
As far as breaking long nails, I do unfortunately think that could be the cost of having such a fancy Sync switch. :twisted:
So what you're saying is.. If you have long nails. U cant touch this! ;)
I just didn't want anyone to be able to vandalize my sync button.
To the extreme I rock a mic sync like a vandal,

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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by J3RK » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:54 pm

syncretism wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:25 pm
J3RK wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:20 pm

I suppose another option would be an arcade button, and latch logic. Then you could REALLY toggle it quickly. I do love arcade buttons.
I can vouch!

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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by J3RK » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:55 pm

These buttons are still nothing compared to Mungo Sync though. That is serious sync button envy! It’s like the history eraser button! Shiny, candy-like!
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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by KSS » Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:48 pm

Quick question. It look like you could move the outer 4 mounting holes using the same pitch as the inner four. then the additional PCBs you referenced could live in any of three positions instead of middle only?

The PCB traces -as shown here- could easily be shifted to accomodate this more flexible mounting hole arrangement. Really only the upper left goes -slightly- beyond trivial. Even the existing silkscreen labels will fit.

I can't see that it would look any less favorable on the panel to have the screwheads closer to the panel corners?
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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by J3RK » Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:48 pm

Not a bad idea at all! The reason for the central location was mainly because the power headers line up favorably there.

I basically use CGS distances for mounting holes, as it makes doing mixed Serge-Style sorts of things possible. So even though those holes are brought inward, they fall on those locations. Adding four more though at the board extents would be easy, and allow more flexibility.

I could also add some smaller power headers to feed additional PCBs. +/-5V and +/-12V I used TO-220 regulators since there’s heavy use of 5V on here, so it’s more than capable of supplying a couple sub-boards. I’ll think about this a bit.

I also need to stick a guard ring around the capacitor node for the sample and hold to further reduce leakage.

I’ll post another pic after I make some adjustments.
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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

Post by J3RK » Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:11 am

I didn’t do additional power pass-through headers. I don’t have other boards that use five volts that don’t already have regulators or voltage references. They can chain from the Euro header, or have their own I suppose.

Guard ring is in place for S&H now, and I added the corner holes. This could potentially allow three sub boards. (Depending on what they are…)
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Re: Tinyboatgiant LW Format powered boats

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