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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by Delepathy » Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:49 pm

It'd be amazing if a TKB had these mods!

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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by dksynth » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:20 pm

king fonk wrote:
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Really love the feature set but wish the blue LEDs weren't blue but something less aggressive to the eye.
I only had red and blue in my bin for high efficiency LEDS ;) can be any color
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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by dksynth » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:21 pm

Delepathy wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:49 pm
It'd be amazing if a TKB had these mods!
this design is hopefully an intermediary step on the way to a 16 step controller ... have some ideas for pressure that I need to play with first!
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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by KSS » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:10 pm

Bipolar LEDs gets rid of 8 LEDs but can be an issue for those with some types of colorblindness. Bipolar plus intensity control does so without any loss of information for them.

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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by memorygardens » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:59 am

any idea of a release date? potential cost? I fucking love this sequencer

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Post by southphillysynths » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:09 am

dksynth wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:21 pm
Delepathy wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:49 pm
It'd be amazing if a TKB had these mods!
this design is hopefully an intermediary step on the way to a 16 step controller ... have some ideas for pressure that I need to play with first!
AMAZING something with closer to buchla/makenoise pressure points for the actual pads would be a true improvement to the original TKB type pads.

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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by aethyr » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:34 am

+1 for touch pads/plates.

it would be wonderful to fit 2 of these in a standard boat

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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by glassofwater » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:43 pm

This looks amazing! Similar to my Sputnik 5-step Voltage Source, except better.

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Post by Prunesquallor » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:40 am

Very nice!
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Post by seal_cobblr » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:15 am

Great job! Looks amazing.

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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by mestlick » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:41 am

That is really nice!!
I have a 245 and some Serge programmers, this is like a perfect combo with some additions.
The stage switches seem like an enhancement of the Moog 960.

Does the preset override the clocking, like on the 245? Mine at least only clocks when the preset is selecting the first stage. That can be a neat trick, to stall a sequencer on a certain stage, but it also can be annoying if you want to jump to a stage and clock from there.

Do the buttons override the clocking? My Serge programmers do that, and I love that as a performance feature. Especially when one row is setting the clock division for the Sequencer, pressing a button changes the rhythm to a fill on one note (snare rush!!).

Do you get the sums of stages when pressing multiple buttons? That's another nice Serge trick. If you set up pitch intervals right, you can hit multiple buttons and get new notes that are not in the original sequence.

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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by Th°ne » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:49 pm

dksynth wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:21 pm
this design is hopefully an intermediary step on the way to a 16 step controller ... have some ideas for pressure that I need to play with first!
Wonderful !
Looking forward to seeing these beasts available.
Thanks, carry on enjoying making and sharing great things !

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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by dksynth » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:27 am

mestlick wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:41 am
Does the preset override the clocking, like on the 245?

Do the buttons override the clocking?

Do you get the sums of stages when pressing multiple buttons?
Function priority goes like this:
RESET
PRESET
HOLD
CLOCK

reset always overrides everything. Preset is what you are using when you hold a button so that will override the clock. It will also override a gate high into the hold jack. The hold jack only overrides clock.

Gate inputs on the select inputs are like edge detectors. So when you want to load a stage and keep clocking you can do it that way. Or If you are quick pressing a button that will do it but holding a button will hold the stage.

Holding multiple buttons won’t activate multiple stages. There is a priority encoder that only allows a single stage to be active at a time. There is a kind of “watchdog” circuit that monitors the switches to allow the tie/skip functions. Having multiple stages active at a time would send that part haywire, unfortunately!
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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by dksynth » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:49 am

memorygardens wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:59 am
any idea of a release date? potential cost? I fucking love this sequencer
Hey thanks for checking it out! I'm excited to see what people do with it, I already have people messaging me with ideas I didn't think of :)

There is no ETA other than "soon". sorry! Just a couple folks putting time into it when we can. Maybe next time I should wait until it is actually ready to go but I got a bit excited after getting to jam with it for the first time.
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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by memorygardens » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:31 pm

no worries brother! I will make sure to leave some room in my new case!!!! I will be following this thread closely!

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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by dksynth » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:17 pm

v1.1 boards have arrived.

Looks like all the foibles of the first rev have been handled. Minor component changes and eliminating some mickey mouse logic in favor of proper CMOS solutions.

I'm in the process of re-racking my serge system so will be a few days before I can fully test drive and do a lil demo of what has been changed.
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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by cygmu » Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:16 am

Excellent! Looking forward to adding one of these to my system even though when I do the sequencers will outnumber the oscillators.

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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by Isaiah » Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:52 am

This look amazing!
Do you plan to sell the PCBs?

Should “Active Stage Pulse Output” perhaps be changed to “Active Stage Gate Output” if the gate output remains high the whole time its stage is active?
Similarly, should “All Gate Output” be changed to “All Pulse Output” or “All Event Pulse” if it outputs a short trigger, rather than a gate, every time a new stage is selected or a button is pressed?

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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by dksynth » Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:05 am

Isaiah wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:52 am

Should “Active Stage Pulse Output” perhaps be changed to “Active Stage Gate Output” if the gate output remains high the whole time its stage is active?
Similarly, should “All Gate Output” be changed to “All Pulse Output” or “All Event Pulse” if it outputs a short trigger, rather than a gate, every time a new stage is selected or a button is pressed?
That’s a good point!
Outputs would be more accurately labelled GATES.... They are high for as long as the stage is active.
Inputs could be called either gate input or pulse input.... inputs there are processed to be pulses/rising edge detector only so as not to override other functions.
All Gate Out is probably most accurate to call it a gate output... it is high for as long as a button is held down so using it allows you to use the sequencer as a small keyboard. But you also get pulses out of it when stages are selected by other means.

I will be selling these, yeah. Test driving the new PCBs for a bit first :)
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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by KSS » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:22 pm

No more Llama?? :(

Maybe it ws Alpaca? Vicuna? ;)
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You could simply eliminate pulse from both. Leaving "Active Stage Output" and "Select Stage Input"

This allows you -as a designer- latitude over time in what you can do with these jacks. irregardless of that, both say exactly the truth.

While a stage is active, there's an output. And when you patch something into the other, it selects the stage. If the edge crossing parameters are met,
Red Jacks already inform part of the story.
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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by bitone » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:32 pm

good job dk, this impressed the crap outta me

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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by bitone » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:36 pm

...would be very French (Serge's homeland) if somehow the acronym could be CREPE programmer, lol

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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by KSS » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:57 pm

Will CREPES do?

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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by KSS » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:59 pm

Needs a 'Suzette' sidecar. With Orange jacks, natch!
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Re: CRAP Programmer

Post by dksynth » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:57 pm

KSS wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:22 pm
No more Llama?? :(
never happened, you must have imagined
KSS wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:22 pm

You could simply eliminate pulse from both. Leaving "Active Stage Output" and "Select Stage Input"

This allows you -as a designer- latitude over time in what you can do with these jacks. irregardless of that, both say exactly the truth.

While a stage is active, there's an output. And when you patch something into the other, it selects the stage. If the edge crossing parameters are met,
Red Jacks already inform part of the story.
there we go, conventions are good for something! that's what I'll do. Neither pulse nor gate are really true all the time so... drop it....

bitone wrote:
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...would be very French (Serge's homeland) if somehow the acronym could be CREPE programmer, lol
hmmmmm
joke names are for prototypes is what I have decided :)
Complex Resettable Event Presettable Electromotive Source IS pretty good tho....
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