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That's a very dense little module, that looks like it could be a good submix in a larger system, or a good solo mixer in a mini system. It's not on the Instruo site yet, but it's on Signal Sounds for 379GBP.

There's more use of what look like Instruo stackables in the demo video. Hmmm...

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It's now already on Instruo's website – and here is the manual: https://www.instruomodular.com/wp-conte ... Manual.pdf

Comment: Strange – the four channels and their respective CVs are not equal – as if they were made for different roles in one very specific application. It will take me some time to fully get this…
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Black wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:17 am It's now already on Instruo's website – and here is the manual: https://www.instruomodular.com/wp-conte ... Manual.pdf

Comment: Strange – the four channels and their respective CVs are not equal – as if they were made for different roles in one very specific application. It will take me some time to fully get this…
I didn't watch the whole video, but it seems as though each channel has a different independent function, and it can be used either as a 4 channel mixer and/or a VCA, four quadrant multiplier, crossfader, etc. Seems as though they mashed up their 2f and Vinca with a basic mixer. The master stereo VCA is an interesting touch.
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I just love his excellent demo/presentation vids.
I wish all manufacturers did such complete, thorough and clear explanation of their own modules.
Super professional.
None really do it better than this guy.
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It looks like a mixer, but it isn't really… I think it is more a tool box that you use to have a few of your modules interact in a way that you found especially rewarding after months or years of experience with them, and that you change rarely… Each of these single channels has its secret, its own personality (also when considering the DIP switches on the back).
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BLogic12 wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:27 am I just love his excellent demo/presentation vids.
I wish all manufacturers did such complete, thorough and clear explanation of their own modules.
Super professional.
None really do it better than this guy.
Definitely agree with this. I don't currently own any Instruo stuff, but I always check out the videos because they're just that good.
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Except for how cramped it looks, I like it, and I wish more modules had this kind of function asymmetry instead of being arrays of the same thing.
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I love all of the new ‘utility bundle’ modules coming out these days- the new Topobrillo one is also a great little guy - but this has to be the densest panel I’ve ever seen. Just 2hp more and I’d probably be more likely to buy. Still tempting though.
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It looks like a well thought out module with some clever choices.
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Man I wish this came out a week sooner. I just ordered a new mixing array. But I suppose I could add this anyway haha.

It does look a little cramped, but I guess it’s hard to tell if it will be hard to use until having it in from of you.

Was a release date mentioned?
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LordKrud wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:20 pm Man I wish this came out a week sooner. I just ordered a new mixing array. But I suppose I could add this anyway haha.

It does look a little cramped, but I guess it’s hard to tell if it will be hard to use until having it in from of you.

Was a release date mentioned?
Already available on Signal Sounds.
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BLogic12 wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:27 am I just love his excellent demo/presentation vids.
I wish all manufacturers did such complete, thorough and clear explanation of their own modules.
Super professional.
None really do it better than this guy.
Couldn't have said it better.
...and on top of great module design/presentation he's a damn good musician. I was totally impressed hearing his live set.
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JonoVizion wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:39 pm
LordKrud wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:20 pm Man I wish this came out a week sooner. I just ordered a new mixing array. But I suppose I could add this anyway haha.

It does look a little cramped, but I guess it’s hard to tell if it will be hard to use until having it in from of you.

Was a release date mentioned?
Already available on Signal Sounds.
Oh cool. I now see it at some US dealers too.
$409. Dang.
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LordKrud wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:35 pm
JonoVizion wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:39 pm
LordKrud wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:20 pm Man I wish this came out a week sooner. I just ordered a new mixing array. But I suppose I could add this anyway haha.

It does look a little cramped, but I guess it’s hard to tell if it will be hard to use until having it in from of you.

Was a release date mentioned?
Already available on Signal Sounds.
Oh cool. I now see it at some US dealers too.
$409. Dang.
That was my first reaction as well, but only until I realised that the module is not just a four channel stereo mixer. You’d need to buy quite a few modules to equal functionality that would set you back more than $400! But VCA, ring mod, panner and xfader that would definitely run more that the same cost! And wouldn’t give you all mixed to stereo with a stereo VCA over the output neither the option to engage limiters. AND you can select ac/dc coupled channels. I also don’t think a collection of modules to match functionality would look as good as this module!
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gran_syth wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:24 am
LordKrud wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:35 pm
JonoVizion wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:39 pm
LordKrud wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:20 pm Man I wish this came out a week sooner. I just ordered a new mixing array. But I suppose I could add this anyway haha.

It does look a little cramped, but I guess it’s hard to tell if it will be hard to use until having it in from of you.

Was a release date mentioned?
Already available on Signal Sounds.
Oh cool. I now see it at some US dealers too.
$409. Dang.
That was my first reaction as well, but only until I realised that the module is not just a four channel stereo mixer. You’d need to buy quite a few modules to equal functionality that would set you back more than $400! But VCA, ring mod, panner and xfader that would definitely run more that the same cost! And wouldn’t give you all mixed to stereo with a stereo VCA over the output neither the option to engage limiters. AND you can select ac/dc coupled channels. I also don’t think a collection of modules to match functionality would look as good as this module!
Probably not, but…

(PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM AN INSTRUO FANBOY. I’M WORKING ON THE FINAL STAGES OF FINISHING A FULL INSTRUO CASE - I WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BUY THIS MODULE AT SOME POINT)

$400 still seems like a shitload of cash for a mixer. I would have appreciated fewer features and/or more room to work. Seems like he tried to create a “do everything” utility mixer module, and cram as much as possible in as small a space as possible. I appreciate trying to be space efficient and feature packed, but at some point there are diminishing returns on both strategies, and from a first glance this module may enter that territory. I hope to be proven wrong.
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clwilla wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:33 pm
gran_syth wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:24 am
LordKrud wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:35 pm
JonoVizion wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:39 pm
LordKrud wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:20 pm Man I wish this came out a week sooner. I just ordered a new mixing array. But I suppose I could add this anyway haha.

It does look a little cramped, but I guess it’s hard to tell if it will be hard to use until having it in from of you.

Was a release date mentioned?
Already available on Signal Sounds.
Oh cool. I now see it at some US dealers too.
$409. Dang.
That was my first reaction as well, but only until I realised that the module is not just a four channel stereo mixer. You’d need to buy quite a few modules to equal functionality that would set you back more than $400! But VCA, ring mod, panner and xfader that would definitely run more that the same cost! And wouldn’t give you all mixed to stereo with a stereo VCA over the output neither the option to engage limiters. AND you can select ac/dc coupled channels. I also don’t think a collection of modules to match functionality would look as good as this module!
Probably not, but…

(PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM AN INSTRUO FANBOY. I’M WORKING ON THE FINAL STAGES OF FINISHING A FULL INSTRUO CASE - I WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BUY THIS MODULE AT SOME POINT)

$400 still seems like a shitload of cash for a mixer. I would have appreciated fewer features and/or more room to work. Seems like he tried to create a “do everything” utility mixer module, and cram as much as possible in as small a space as possible. I appreciate trying to be space efficient and feature packed, but at some point there are diminishing returns on both strategies, and from a first glance this module may enter that territory. I hope to be proven wrong.
Not expecting the space efficiency to be a problem here. Four faders and tall trimmers for pan/crossfade setting, utility functions are mainly cv controlled, so in my mind this is in particular a section/group mixer, which eventually is like set and forget with some algorithmic/sequenced modulations. I absolutely appreciate the size, this will transform my small cases, but I will report when I've received and used mine.
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gran_syth wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:18 pm
clwilla wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:33 pm
gran_syth wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:24 am
LordKrud wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:35 pm
JonoVizion wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:39 pm
LordKrud wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:20 pm Man I wish this came out a week sooner. I just ordered a new mixing array. But I suppose I could add this anyway haha.

It does look a little cramped, but I guess it’s hard to tell if it will be hard to use until having it in from of you.

Was a release date mentioned?
Already available on Signal Sounds.
Oh cool. I now see it at some US dealers too.
$409. Dang.
That was my first reaction as well, but only until I realised that the module is not just a four channel stereo mixer. You’d need to buy quite a few modules to equal functionality that would set you back more than $400! But VCA, ring mod, panner and xfader that would definitely run more that the same cost! And wouldn’t give you all mixed to stereo with a stereo VCA over the output neither the option to engage limiters. AND you can select ac/dc coupled channels. I also don’t think a collection of modules to match functionality would look as good as this module!
Probably not, but…

(PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM AN INSTRUO FANBOY. I’M WORKING ON THE FINAL STAGES OF FINISHING A FULL INSTRUO CASE - I WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BUY THIS MODULE AT SOME POINT)

$400 still seems like a shitload of cash for a mixer. I would have appreciated fewer features and/or more room to work. Seems like he tried to create a “do everything” utility mixer module, and cram as much as possible in as small a space as possible. I appreciate trying to be space efficient and feature packed, but at some point there are diminishing returns on both strategies, and from a first glance this module may enter that territory. I hope to be proven wrong.
Not expecting the space efficiency to be a problem here. Four faders and tall trimmers for pan/crossfade setting, utility functions are mainly cv controlled, so in my mind this is in particular a section/group mixer, which eventually is like set and forget with some algorithmic/sequenced modulations. I absolutely appreciate the size, this will transform my small cases, but I will report when I've received and used mine.
I think use case is the important distinction. In a small case, or a performance case, your argument makes sense.

I only have a large-ish studio sized synth. I don’t play out (even if I’m planning a smaller case to bring for Xmas to mess around with my brother who is far more advanced than me), and although space is a consideration, I can definitely say it isn’t a large one. In this type of case, having separate tools for each of those jobs is preferable.

That said, I can envision this, with its particular normalizing options and individual channel outs, as a sub mixer in my case where individual outs can be used as sends, with bringing only the wet signal back and mixing them to have full wet/dry mix control.
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gran_syth wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:24 am
LordKrud wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:35 pm
JonoVizion wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:39 pm
LordKrud wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:20 pm Man I wish this came out a week sooner. I just ordered a new mixing array. But I suppose I could add this anyway haha.

It does look a little cramped, but I guess it’s hard to tell if it will be hard to use until having it in from of you.

Was a release date mentioned?
Already available on Signal Sounds.
Oh cool. I now see it at some US dealers too.
$409. Dang.
That was my first reaction as well, but only until I realised that the module is not just a four channel stereo mixer. You’d need to buy quite a few modules to equal functionality that would set you back more than $400! But VCA, ring mod, panner and xfader that would definitely run more that the same cost! And wouldn’t give you all mixed to stereo with a stereo VCA over the output neither the option to engage limiters. AND you can select ac/dc coupled channels. I also don’t think a collection of modules to match functionality would look as good as this module!
Yea I recognize all this has to offer. Looks great. Just a little sticker shock I guess. Might end up grabbing one.
It’s just a price you expect out of something more flashy I suppose. Like Morphagene type abilities. Not to underestimate what this can do.
I probably need to pair down some gear and then get something like this.
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Funny. I also had the exact same sticker shock reaction. Watched the video and it was dizzying how much is packed in this thing!
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SMSHFFLD wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:56 pm Funny. I also had the exact same sticker shock reaction. Watched the video and it was dizzying how much is packed in this thing!

There is a lot, but I’m not generally one who finds much value in feature packing. The way it’s done with this module makes sense, but it’s still a whole lot going on in a small space. Whether that is a good thing or not is in the eye of the beholder.
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clwilla wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:09 pm
SMSHFFLD wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:56 pm Funny. I also had the exact same sticker shock reaction. Watched the video and it was dizzying how much is packed in this thing!
There is a lot, but I’m not generally one who finds much value in feature packing. The way it’s done with this module makes sense, but it’s still a whole lot going on in a small space. Whether that is a good thing or not is in the eye of the beholder.
I love feature packed things! :yay:
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I don't mind dense modules, but I do think I have this weird response to them where I fixate on not being able to use every feature at once. Cold Mac did my head in for a bit in this regard
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SMSHFFLD wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:26 am I don't mind dense modules, but I do think I have this weird response to them where I fixate on not being able to use every feature at once. Cold Mac did my head in for a bit in this regard
Agreed, I am not saying dense modules are straight forward. Feature loaded modules require a steeper learning curve, in many cases I struggle to remember all functions and how to control them. I could also imagine that while developing a patch, that the carn requires some pre-planning to avoid having to change the use of the channels when ideas about the patching form or change.

However, the module gives immense opportunities, it's down to me to make proper use of it. Like with carn here, if I end up only using it as a four channel stereo mixer with panning, I could have had it cheaper with a Doepfer or whatever, but if I think of a routing that uses the cross fader for some wet/dry, set the VCA channel for attenuating of a oscillator signal that is used as the modulator for the ring modulation, and have the VCA over the entire voice... than this becomes an asset of utility like no other, a true swiss army knife!
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closedLoop wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:26 am
There's more use of what look like Instruo stackables in the demo video. Hmmm...


Seen those in a couple videos for a while now, but they don’t seem to be on the market yet.

Which is a real shame; I believe the way those Instruō cables are made, with the woven outside and extra shielding, makes them some of the highest quality on the market currently.
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