WMD Legion - Ultimate Oscillator: TZFM, Swarm, Alpha, TZ-Sub Osc

[machineoil]

Just have to ask- is it tuned really low?

No, it isn't.

[machineoil]

Tested in an Intellijel case, works fine. This is weird, usually it is the Intellijel that has problems starting up modules.

[closedLoop]

Is anyone having an issue with their legion where it only clicks and doesn't produce any other sound? I have tried multiple power cables, different power slots, nothing changes the behavior. It is in a Doepfer monster case, and there is plenty of power available. Going to try it in a skiff to see if it does the same thing, and yes I will open a support case on Monday...just checking to see if anybody has a similar issue and maybe found a solution before then.

I’ve read that the SSI2130 chip that Legion is based on sometimes locks up when powered on. I believe I read the solution was to toggle the LFO/VCO mode, but obviously that’s not possible on Legion.

Hasn’t happened to mine yet.

[machineoil]

Is anyone having an issue with their legion where it only clicks and doesn't produce any other sound? I have tried multiple power cables, different power slots, nothing changes the behavior. It is in a Doepfer monster case, and there is plenty of power available. Going to try it in a skiff to see if it does the same thing, and yes I will open a support case on Monday...just checking to see if anybody has a similar issue and maybe found a solution before then.

I’ve read that the SSI2130 chip that Legion is based on sometimes locks up when powered on. I believe I read the solution was to toggle the LFO/VCO mode, but obviously that’s not possible on Legion.

Hasn’t happened to mine yet.

I have a Steady State Fate Zephyr and have to do this with it, didn't think to check that it is the same chip. It is a startup power problem, and it doesn't seem that holding the two octave buttons on the Legion will put it into LFO mode if it doesn't start correctly. The Zephyr has a switch, and it works fine that way. Thanks for pointing this one out...now on the hunt for a soft start module....if only WMD still made them.

[closedLoop]

...now on the hunt for a soft start module....if only WMD still made them.

What power do you have Legion on?
As I mentioned, I’ve had no trouble with mine yet, and I have it on Konstant Lab power.

[machineoil]

...now on the hunt for a soft start module....if only WMD still made them.

What power do you have Legion on?
As I mentioned, I’ve had no trouble with mine yet, and I have it on Konstant Lab power.

It is in a Doepfer monster case with my other oscillators. The SSF Zephyr is in the same case, has the same problem. When I put it in my live skiff (Intellijel), problem went away.

[Dantenna]

Now that these are in the wild, how are folks finding them? As someone who has never owned a complex oscilator so far, I am particularly interested in comparison between a pair of them vs DPO or Furthrrr Generator. Would I miss the folding much, assuming I run C4rbon in my system?

[closedLoop]

Now that these are in the wild, how are folks finding them? As someone who has never owned a complex oscilator so far, I am particularly interested in comparison between a pair of them vs DPO or Furthrrr Generator. Would I miss the folding much, assuming I run C4rbon in my system?

That's a hard comparison. It would be easier to compare 2x Legions to the Frap Tools Brenso or Cosmotronic Vortex, which also both do TZFM. If I were you, I'd look into the Cosmotronic Vortex complex osc. It's based on the same SSI2130 chip that Legion is based on, so it likely has many of the same sound characteristics as Legion. It doesn't have the windowed Saw, Swarm output, or the other aspects of Legion that aren't from the SSI2130.

Legion is a great, dense, well designed VCO that packs a big range of functionality in a small form factor. It sounds very precise and clean to me in comparison to other TZFM VCOs. WMD didn't 'make many of these, so if you're inclined, grab one while you can.

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I have the same issue with the oscillators not oscillating on my two Legions in my Doepfer Monster case. Works fine in my 4ms Row Power 45-powered skiff.

I tried a WMD Slow Start on it, and it did not seem to help at all. (I believe I had this same experience with my Zephyr.)

This is a drag as I did intend on using them in my Monster case.

[WMDevices]

Tested in an Intellijel case, works fine. This is weird, usually it is the Intellijel that has problems starting up modules.

There is sequenced power on Legion, and maybe the Doepfer's power sequencing is messing with the Legion's switching power supplies. We tested extensively on different power supplies, but not the PSU3, as I don't have one.

[WMDevices]

Is anyone having an issue with their legion where it only clicks and doesn't produce any other sound? I have tried multiple power cables, different power slots, nothing changes the behavior. It is in a Doepfer monster case, and there is plenty of power available. Going to try it in a skiff to see if it does the same thing, and yes I will open a support case on Monday...just checking to see if anybody has a similar issue and maybe found a solution before then.

I’ve read that the SSI2130 chip that Legion is based on sometimes locks up when powered on. I believe I read the solution was to toggle the LFO/VCO mode, but obviously that’s not possible on Legion.

Hasn’t happened to mine yet.

Just push both octave buttons, and that toggles LFO mode... it electronically switches in a capacitor.

[WMDevices]

I have the same issue with the oscillators not oscillating on my two Legions in my Doepfer Monster case. Works fine in my 4ms Row Power 45-powered skiff.

I tried a WMD Slow Start on it, and it did not seem to help at all. (I believe I had this same experience with my Zephyr.)

This is a drag as I did intend on using them in my Monster case.

Damn, yeah I wonder why just the Doepfer causes issues with the SSI2130. SUcks to have to do this, but you can always swap out the Doepfer PSU for an Intellijel one in the Monster case. It's a pain to do since you likely have to mount a second 15V supply... Wish we'd come across this during R&D but nobody uses the Doepfer stuff since the WMD team typically use mobile rigs. This is unconfirmed by WMD though, I don't have these issue causing PSUs. And the modules are already in the wild. -WM

[machineoil]

Is anyone having an issue with their legion where it only clicks and doesn't produce any other sound? I have tried multiple power cables, different power slots, nothing changes the behavior. It is in a Doepfer monster case, and there is plenty of power available. Going to try it in a skiff to see if it does the same thing, and yes I will open a support case on Monday...just checking to see if anybody has a similar issue and maybe found a solution before then.

I’ve read that the SSI2130 chip that Legion is based on sometimes locks up when powered on. I believe I read the solution was to toggle the LFO/VCO mode, but obviously that’s not possible on Legion.

Hasn’t happened to mine yet.

Just push both octave buttons, and that toggles LFO mode... it electronically switches in a capacitor.

Tried the lfo switch, it won’t change to lfo if it doesn’t start properly.

[machineoil]

I have the same issue with the oscillators not oscillating on my two Legions in my Doepfer Monster case. Works fine in my 4ms Row Power 45-powered skiff.

I tried a WMD Slow Start on it, and it did not seem to help at all. (I believe I had this same experience with my Zephyr.)

This is a drag as I did intend on using them in my Monster case.

Damn, I was hoping this would fix it. Found some slowstarts, and paid a lot for international shipping. Maybe there is time to cancel. I’m thinking flying bus power just for the Legion.

[AcidTechnoBreaks303]

Damn, I have 2x Legion arriving today that I preordered back in August. I have 2x Doepfer Monster case with PSU3. Would *really* prefer to have all my WMD kit in one of those cases rather than split it into one of my tiny skiffs.

[fluffymuff]

Has anyone tried powering this with a Mean Well RT65b?

[closedLoop]

This is sounding like it's not the false start issue that has been reported on the other SSI2130 VCOs?

[Wubz]

Mine is powerd by TipTop Studio Bus power - no issues, for what it's worth.

[Kosmikos]

Damn, I have 2x Legion arriving today that I preordered back in August. I have 2x Doepfer Monster case with PSU3. Would *really* prefer to have all my WMD kit in one of those cases rather than split it into one of my tiny skiffs.

I’ve just done a quick test on one of my two PSU3 power supplies (DIY case) and all seems well.
I’ll try on my Intellijel case tonight.

[jackshmit]

I have two sounding mean as hell in an intellijel 7u, with no issues.. have not tried another case, but I’m stoked with the sound of the Legion so far

[WMDevices]

Is anyone having an issue with their legion where it only clicks and doesn't produce any other sound? I have tried multiple power cables, different power slots, nothing changes the behavior. It is in a Doepfer monster case, and there is plenty of power available. Going to try it in a skiff to see if it does the same thing, and yes I will open a support case on Monday...just checking to see if anybody has a similar issue and maybe found a solution before then.

I’ve read that the SSI2130 chip that Legion is based on sometimes locks up when powered on. I believe I read the solution was to toggle the LFO/VCO mode, but obviously that’s not possible on Legion.

Hasn’t happened to mine yet.

Just push both octave buttons, and that toggles LFO mode... it electronically switches in a capacitor.

Tried the lfo switch, it won’t change to lfo if it doesn’t start properly.

Please upload a video for me to check this out. On the forum or PM is fine. Hopefully it's something else and not an issue with the Doepfer PSU.

[machineoil]

Is anyone having an issue with their legion where it only clicks and doesn't produce any other sound? I have tried multiple power cables, different power slots, nothing changes the behavior. It is in a Doepfer monster case, and there is plenty of power available. Going to try it in a skiff to see if it does the same thing, and yes I will open a support case on Monday...just checking to see if anybody has a similar issue and maybe found a solution before then.

I’ve read that the SSI2130 chip that Legion is based on sometimes locks up when powered on. I believe I read the solution was to toggle the LFO/VCO mode, but obviously that’s not possible on Legion.

Hasn’t happened to mine yet.

Just push both octave buttons, and that toggles LFO mode... it electronically switches in a capacitor.

Tried the lfo switch, it won’t change to lfo if it doesn’t start properly.

Please upload a video for me to check this out. On the forum or PM is fine. Hopefully it's something else and not an issue with the Doepfer PSU.

Video emailed to service@wmdevices.com.

[al2o3cr]

One odd thing I noticed with the "Saw" output patched to "Linear FM" was that increasing the Linear FM amount past about halfway would slow down and then outright stop the oscillation. It resumes immediately if the control is reduced.

[appliancide]

One odd thing I noticed with the "Saw" output patched to "Linear FM" was that increasing the Linear FM amount past about halfway would slow down and then outright stop the oscillation. It resumes immediately if the control is reduced.

Not sure if you are patching the Legion's sawtooth into its own linear FM input, or modulating the linear FM input with another module while listening to the sawtooth output. Either way, what you have described is expected behavior for TZFM modules. If you meant the former, self-patching a VCO is always going to result in noisy and chaotic sounds, and likely some settings will cause the module to stop oscillating. If you meant the latter, then the expected behavior would be the sawtooth slowing to a stop before starting to rise in pitch again as a ramp wave as the FM amount continues to increase. If you meant neither of those things, then I apologize for misunderstanding.

[MPGK]

Finally got my pair from Schneidersladen and they work great in my Erica Synths mobile case. Vast array of sounds, lots of character and pairs brilliantly with Javelin and C4RBN!