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Stages uses very small smd components, this would not at all be a good candidate for a first time smd even if you had a microscope to work with imo. There will for sure be someone that eventually does a run of these now that they are discontinued. If you can find one the module is incredible, there is an alternative software by Quinem that is a must install. 10/10 recommend if you can find one.
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I was just saying "there should be a simpler version of Rossum Control Forge" earlier and actually come to think of it, Stages kind-of is that... but it also is way more at the same time as each segment can instead of LFOs or parts of a sequencer or you can make several ARs out of them etc - it's way beyond just an EG.

They're definitely not worth $750 on reverb right now however... unless you're wealthy enough that $400 over MSRP doesn't matter. If you can fit the Quaid that might be a good alternative for something more interesting than ADSR with segment CV, which is nice but only a step above vanilla, where at least Quaid can do more than that. I've always thought that thing's pretty cool but it (incidentally) got upstaged by Stages, as that released right before it and I had gotten that instead (two actually). Specs-wise for envelopes the Quadigy I suspect is handily unbeatable (quad envelope, up to 7-part envelopes, curvature settable per segment, CV matrix/preset morphing etc) but that would be a menu-y proposition so it depends how inclined you are to that.

Zadar is also a serious proposition, I really like it and it does really wacky/cool envelopes... but it also isn't an ADSR EG at all, so you'd have to contemplate going into unfamiliar waters using it. It's also versatile and extremely fast/easy to use (the big screen feels mostly there to show you the curves as you flip through the library, which is necessary as some of them defy description). If the thing had uploadable envelope curves it'd have been close to perfect, but it doesn't (maybe they'll make a mk2 eventually).
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Re: Is there an EG that has it all?

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When it comes EGs, I’ve had several modules and the two best I’ve ended with are MI Stages and Klavis Quadigy.

Both offer various EGs types and plenty of additional controls and CV. Both modules are highly recommended! My rack has two Stages and a single Quadigy.

Furthermore, when it comes to DIY Stages, I recently built a run of four. First off, there are still some ICs that are very difficult to obtain. I had to use overseas resellers and got slammed with absurd shipping and fees. I built them for personal and friend reasons and not interested at all in profit; if your into that, this alone crushes that idea. Second, Stages is a very dense build with small SMD/0402 passives; these will be quite the challenge after the small pitch ICs used. I can only recommend DIY Stages for experienced builders with the correct tools.
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I’d agree that Quadigy, Stages, Zadar, and Maths are relevant (and good candidates in their own ways) but have you considered
Cosmotronic Delta-V?

They’re so different, a lot of it comes down to personal preference.
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It doesn't exist. Digital EG can do more, but analog EG usually sounds more natural and snappy, but it's debatable.
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For an envelope module that has it all: TINRS Edgecutter.
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The Velectronic Associative Quadruple Envelope seems like a quad ADSR with very deep control over all parameters.

https://velectronic.net/a-envelope

Never used it, so cannot comment on how well it works.
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Wavtekt wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:57 pm It doesn't exist. Digital EG can do more, but analog EG usually sounds more natural and snappy, but it's debatable.
You can have sluggish analog envelopes and snappy digital ones, this generalisation does not hold up imo

Also ready mentioned, but stages. Multiple.
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The doepfer a 141-2 does all the ADSR stuff, and also has some kind of vca in it. I like the big playable knobs, but also it might be to hughe for some racks.
It can also work as an lfo or exponential eg.
Cheaper then the most eg.
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ABB wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:26 am The doepfer a 141-2 does all the ADSR stuff, and also has some kind of vca in it. I like the big playable knobs, but also it might be to hughe for some racks.
It can also work as an lfo or exponential eg.
Cheaper then the most eg.
This does have all I asked for thank you for sharing.
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JenniferG wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:48 am
ABB wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:26 am The doepfer a 141-2 does all the ADSR stuff, and also has some kind of vca in it. I like the big playable knobs, but also it might be to hughe for some racks.
It can also work as an lfo or exponential eg.
Cheaper then the most eg.
This does have all I asked for thank you for sharing.
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Available only in kit, the looping VCADSR from Dannysound
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JenniferG wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:31 pm I need an EG to replace the Behringer 140. I can already tell after experimenting last night, that having individual CV control on the ADSR levels would be useful, so I'd like an EG that has that. I'd also like it to have inversion, retrig as well as end of Attack and end of Decay gates if possible. Basically I want every possible feature of an EG in one package. Does this exist?
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Frap Tools Falistri can do all of that(and much more), sans voltage controlled sustain level and inversion(though the individual ad outputs can be inverted with the attenuverters).
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Stu B wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:46 am
Velectronic A-Envelope 👍🏻

It’s a good as it looks.
Daaaaamn that looks nice. My enthusiasm for Quadigy has been tapered.
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Has anyone tried the WMD Javelin? Just curious.
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enzyme00 wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:29 pm
Stu B wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:46 am
Velectronic A-Envelope 👍🏻

It’s a good as it looks.
Daaaaamn that looks nice. My enthusiasm for Quadigy has been tapered.
It’s expensive both in £££ and hp but you’ll not get bored of it. 😎
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Veeblefutzer2 wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:54 am
Wavtekt wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:57 pm It doesn't exist. Digital EG can do more, but analog EG usually sounds more natural and snappy, but it's debatable.
You can have sluggish analog envelopes and snappy digital ones, this generalisation does not hold up imo

Also ready mentioned, but stages. Multiple.
Nah, I did a close comparison with Maths (analog) and Javelin (digital) a while ago. They do have differences, but it is unnoticeable unless you pay close attention.

The natural decay time from the peak of a capacitor is very short and varies slightly, contributing to its 'organic' flavor. Meanwhile, digital ones have more regular and predictable decay time and there is a tiny plateau or 'lag' in the peak, which is in micro / nano seconds.

Anyways, I don't think the type of EG you are using contributes significantly to the tonal quality of sound, compared to VCA / VCF etc., so just buy whatever works best for you.
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Thanks Wavtetk. Then the Maths is on top and the Javelin is the bottom graph?
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AstroZon wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:35 pm Thanks Wavtetk. Then the Maths is on top and the Javelin is the bottom graph?
Yes.
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And no one has mentioned the STG Soundlabs envelope?
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EDITED: sorry realise my suggestion was mentioned previously :)
second vote for the Doepfer A-141-2
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Re: Is there an EG that has it all?

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The only problem with the Deeper A-141-2 is it is so deep. It won't fit in a TipTop Mantis or even a Moog 104 case right?
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