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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by Aleksey » Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:32 pm

Euclidean Circles and some logic is a fun combo, and pretty playable.

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Post by Jazz-Circuit » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:08 pm

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by _gasStationShrimp » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:23 pm

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Yes, or any addressable sequencer, whether by CV offset, stage selecting, binary patterns, etc. Two or three of those talking to each other goes a very long way. All of those sequential switches are addressable in some way, as us the Sequence Selector, Popcorn, and many others.

But you can also do so much with just s&h, switch, comparator, noise, etc. You can build a Branches that way. E.g. a regular s&h of noise, clocked by a meter or rhythm that is also sent into a switch, where the S&H out controls the switch (depending on the switch, you might need to mix in an offset). So many ways to extend that.
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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by 11235813 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:39 pm

I love the 2HP Euclid with random or LFO repetitive CV into the lengths, steps, and ESPECIALLY the reset.
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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by soggybag » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:07 pm

Temp Utile, Tempi might fit this depending on how you use them.

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by zoekilljoy » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:51 pm

Something I haven’t had the chance to use yet but which I suspect would be amazing is Zularic Repetitor + CV modulation + probability/logic.

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by MarcelP » Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:55 am

Don’t forget the NE Confundo Funkitus - once you have a few lines of rhythm sources one can “cross fade” between them (2 sets of 4) manually or under CV control. A more subtle/teeakable option than simply switching between them Unfortunately no longer in production.

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Aleksey wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:32 pm
Euclidean Circles and some logic is a fun combo, and pretty playable.
I see many people recommending some LOGIC, i am very curious which types of logic create interesting patterns? I guess AND is probably gonna be good, but what about OR XOR NAND ext are any of these worth exploring for pattern creation? I hav been meaning to experiment but haven't got a logic module yet.

While were here anyone recommend a good logic module?

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by Gringo Starr » Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:04 am

The Stochastic SIG looks cool. I’m on the list but haven’t gotten it yet. Maybe not as random generating as some others but it still looks like it would yield some interesting results
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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by timini » Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:33 am

Is there a random module which lets you change the distribution? uniform / normal / Poisson etc.

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by ggillon » Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:52 am

timini wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:02 am
Aleksey wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:32 pm
Euclidean Circles and some logic is a fun combo, and pretty playable.
I see many people recommending some LOGIC, i am very curious which types of logic create interesting patterns? I guess AND is probably gonna be good, but what about OR XOR NAND ext are any of these worth exploring for pattern creation?
Sure, it's a very simple way to get complex patterns out of basic ones.

Here, an image is probably much better than a long explanation. Same principle used for polyrythms.

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by timini » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:18 pm

ggillon wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:52 am
timini wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:02 am
Aleksey wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:32 pm
Euclidean Circles and some logic is a fun combo, and pretty playable.
I see many people recommending some LOGIC, i am very curious which types of logic create interesting patterns? I guess AND is probably gonna be good, but what about OR XOR NAND ext are any of these worth exploring for pattern creation?
Sure, it's a very simple way to get complex patterns out of basic ones.

Here, an image is probably much better than a long explanation. Same principle used for polyrythms.

Image
just wondering if any logic in particular actually creates interesting rhythm

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by GuyaGuy » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:27 pm

timini wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:18 pm
ggillon wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:52 am
timini wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:02 am
Aleksey wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:32 pm
Euclidean Circles and some logic is a fun combo, and pretty playable.
I see many people recommending some LOGIC, i am very curious which types of logic create interesting patterns? I guess AND is probably gonna be good, but what about OR XOR NAND ext are any of these worth exploring for pattern creation?
Sure, it's a very simple way to get complex patterns out of basic ones.

Here, an image is probably much better than a long explanation. Same principle used for polyrythms.

Image
just wondering if any logic in particular actually creates interesting rhythm
It depends on what you consider interesting!

But also it depends on what you feed it. The logic itself is just handling conditions. The information fed into it determines the output. So if you look at the first 4 columns of that grid that ggillon posted, the AND LOGIC will be boring if it’s a 4 step sequence. But it’s a bit more interesting if you look at the first 8 columns as an 8 step sequence. Not complex but might be good for a kick. But then the OR version is even more interesting for those 8 steps using the same input. That could be a nice high hat pattern. And that’s a nice thing about logic modules; you can get multiple patterns from the same 2 sources.

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by Mr. Aloud » Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:59 am

Regarding logic modules: As we´re talking about triggers, are there any modules that are known gems - or troublemakers - in a setup with 2,3,4 layers of logic?

Is there any specification on how long trigger signals actually have to be?
It would seem that still, after all these years, perception is essentially thought to be a passive process.

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by dubonaire » Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:08 am

I don't think anyone has mentioned Greyscale Permutation and Variant which is an enhanced Turing machine. There is a lot you can do with that.

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by luketeaford » Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:38 am

Mr. Aloud wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:59 am
Is there any specification on how long trigger signals actually have to be?
I'm not aware of a specification for it, but I believe Tempi and other Make Noise modules use a 10ms trigger. I use 10ms in my Pd patches and so far it has worked with every module I've tried.

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by modeland » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:05 am

For cool logic, see if you can still find an old Pittsburgh Timetable or Timerunner.

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by zoekilljoy » Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:49 pm

A couple specific examples of how I use logic:

One is to take two trigger sequences in and XOR them together, especially when they’ll phase in and out of each other. With XOR you’ll see gaps when you’d otherwise expect to hear one.

Another situation: I like to use a percussive element on the 7 and 15 as a way to hold a tempo together, but if I’m trying to spice it up a little bit, I’ll bring in a second rhythm and OR it with the steady beat. That way you keep the tempo but add some additional detail.

A little CV-controlled probability (e.g. Branches) will continue to make it just that little bit less predictable and increase the interestingness. This could be brought in before or after logic operations with differing results.

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by Pagoda-100 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:38 pm

I have always been a bit "fuzzy" on the logic modules I have (you see what I did there?) :hihi:
This graphic is a massive help and makes me realize just how logical logic modules are...
Ahh the perils of being a visual learner.

Thanks for that post ggillon!

ggillon wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:52 am
timini wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:02 am
Aleksey wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:32 pm
Euclidean Circles and some logic is a fun combo, and pretty playable.
I see many people recommending some LOGIC, i am very curious which types of logic create interesting patterns? I guess AND is probably gonna be good, but what about OR XOR NAND ext are any of these worth exploring for pattern creation?
Sure, it's a very simple way to get complex patterns out of basic ones.

Here, an image is probably much better than a long explanation. Same principle used for polyrythms.

Image
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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by phinland » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:05 am

Gringo Starr wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:04 am
The Stochastic SIG looks cool. I’m on the list but haven’t gotten it yet. Maybe not as random generating as some others but it still looks like it would yield some interesting results
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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by 4pples » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:15 am

Great question, reading up on what everyone else is using. I'm eyeing up the Bastl Popcorn, Shakmat Knight's Gallop, and Bastl Kompas?

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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by mixxalot » Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:06 am

Marbles hands down for generative stuff and VPME Euclidean circles for generative percussion are my favorites in my setup.
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Re: Your favorite generative trigger sequencers/rhythm generators?

Post by jadrowsky88 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:29 pm

I use marbles + tempi + skipmin + 4ms rcd + 4ms scm + bastl kompas and a doepfer 151 sequential switch, yeah it's a lot but still would add some logic modules

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