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Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by mmp » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:14 pm

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Exciting news!

https://www.hakenaudio.com/eaganmatrix-module

Same power as a Continuumini. $799.00

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by mdoudoroff » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:33 pm

This is kind of bonkers. But what the hell… why not? The connectivity seems strong. And the invasion of MIDI devices into Eurorack is certainly interesting to behold.

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by bphenix » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:35 pm

I swore off eurorack but this super excites me so I’ll be getting on the preorder. If Kyma ever does the same, I’d be in complete heaven and give in completely.

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by mmp » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:14 pm

It does have 8 cv inputs as well. The engine allows very complex modulations controlled by each of those inputs, so one could just use the hundreds of presets and never touch the USB or MIDI side of things. The spectral synthesis and physical modeling in this engine are far more detailed than anything I have yet heard in euro (though, I haven’t heard or used everything out there)…and MPE in euro format is pretty rare.
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This is kind of bonkers. But what the hell… why not? The connectivity seems strong. And the invasion of MIDI devices into Eurorack is certainly interesting to behold.

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by Aleyas » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:27 pm

8 voices over midi, with the full power of Eagen Matrix + 8 CV ins. Interesting! This could this be the hardware physical modeling synth I’ve been looking for. I suppose it should interface pretty well with MPE controllers like the Linnstrument too (for us mortals who can’t afford a Continuum).
Can’t wait for the demos!

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by Ebotronix » Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:20 am

is it possible to use it with a ContinuuMini instaed of the voltage converter?

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by Paranormal Patroler » Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:30 am

mmp wrote:
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...and MPE in euro format is pretty rare.
I know the exact MPE capable module that does polyphonic chords to go with this! :hihi:

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/other-unknown-eaganmatrix
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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by Ears » Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:33 am

Ebotronix wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:20 am
is it possible to use it with a ContinuuMini instaed of the voltage converter?
I use my CMini and my halfsize with my eurorack all the time. But I have their CVC and I tend to be using it very differently than you’d use this module. I use the Continuums as a controller for either an audio source (like my eurorack or Buchla), and/or for continuum controlled sound processing of that source.

To use your existing Continuum or Mini in the same way as this module you’d need to do CV->Midi with another module I think. Not tried this yet, but it’s worth a try if you have a mini and a CV->Midi module! Set up could also be tricky depending on what you use for CV->MIDI since you have all 4 dimensions to deal with and they act very different from typical pitch/gate.

ADDED: One thing you won’t be able to do with your mini that I think this Euro module does is have an audio in for processing in the matrix. Pretty sure it’s only the full and half size Continuums that have audio in.

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by nsolarz » Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:23 pm

>Current requirements: 25mA at +12V and -12V. 500 mA at +5V.

this is a pretty steep 5v power req...

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by mmp » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:17 pm

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I am looking for a small case and power supply to house one of these. Anyone got a suggestion?
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>Current requirements: 25mA at +12V and -12V. 500 mA at +5V.

this is a pretty steep 5v power req...

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by HenryBurlingame » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:29 pm

Man, this might get me back into buying eurorack... Just a 6u doepfer case focused on this thing would be amazing.

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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:41 pm

Nobody else who thinks the price is too steep for R&D that's been done years ago?
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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by mmp » Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:26 pm

Well, it is the cheapest access point to the synthesis engine that is available presently.

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Nobody else who thinks the price is too steep for R&D that's been done years ago?

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by peteone » Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:30 pm

Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:41 pm
Nobody else who thinks the price is too steep for R&D that's been done years ago?
nothing to do with R&D but more psychological price point at $599.99 id hit buy button at $799.99 i really have to think about it.. I think their strategy is not great unless they have a limited run..

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by Paranormal Patroler » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:07 am

An engine which was designed and made available a while back, on a module design which doesn't take any consideration for what is current (look at that screen), at a price point which is not on par with modules of its size and offering.

Yes, they do have one of the best engines available, but who are they adressing with this version of it? 'cause it's not the Eurorack crowd. If it's those few studio owners with huge systems, well, they could already buy a Haken synth to begin with.

As peteone said, at a lower price point they'd sell more and make more money out of it. I unfortunately find this non competitive. There's added VAT in Europe, so it's on the preposterous side to ask 1000 euros for a module with this UI and nothing new on the table.

NB: I can afford this, so it's not that I feel excluded.
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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by Umcorps » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:12 am

I’m on the fence about this. First instinct was instabuy. Then had a think about what I wanted to sacrifice to make the space for it and slowed right down.

The price is steep so my plan now is to wait a while. I’m fairly sure there will be a reasonable second hand market from early adopters who get overwhelmed by the Egan Matrix editor and abandon ship.

The power issue is a concern. I have a ContinuumMini which is USB powered and my experience is that this hardware demands every last available milliamp. Anything less than the fullest, most stable supply means it simply won’t work. I guess space and heat issues were factors in the decision to power the mini from the USB port rather than having a separate power input but they don’t apply to a module design in the same way. 500mA will max out the 5v rail on quite a few Eurorack power solutions so you need to know your psu can deliver in full what it promises and make sure there is nothing else in the rack needing 5v.

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by Paranormal Patroler » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:24 am

I'm actually happy that they went with 5v for the main power requirements. Most digital designs regulate down from 12v which is dumb because a) you create more heat, b) you don't leave more space for modules that do need 12v, c) most of the new power cases have a tons of 5v available (mine has 4A available on that rail!). I think it was a clever decision on their part.

Couldn't agree more with the on the fence sentiment Umcorps. If it were readily available on EU stores I'd consider buying this today but I think waiting for early adopters to get thwarted is the far wiser choice.
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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by strettara » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:28 am

Finally. This is exciting news. Or so it seemed until I realised it's a eurorack module (I came from the forum's top page). Why not a desktop module? This is really frustrating. The continuum mini is still the only option for someone like me.
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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by mmp » Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:44 am

I am going to put it in a 4ms Pod and use it like a desktop.

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by Umcorps » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:03 am

Then you’ll be very sad that the pod psu only delivers 250 mA on +5v

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by mmp » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:36 am

Interesting. On their site they spec it at 1 amp.
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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by Umcorps » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:40 am

Hah! Yes, you’re right. They’ve beefed them up since the original series. My bad.

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by strettara » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:47 am

I really don’t understand why the matrix software is not available for sale. Probably the only vst I’d be interested in buying.
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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by mmp » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:06 am

It’s a software front end for hardware. Maybe it could be ported for modern CPUs, but that doesn’t presently exist, so not offered for sale.
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I really don’t understand why the matrix software is not available for sale. Probably the only vst I’d be interested in buying.

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Re: Haken Eagan Matrix Module at Superbooth

Post by strettara » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:08 am

That’s a shame. It would make a wonderful complement for the C15, which also has plenty of hardware controllers for playing expressively.
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