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floher wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:06 am I’d be super interested in the previously asked question, whether you can invert a signal (or gate) with SM2!

Also, how do CV1 and CV2 differ from each other?
Re: your latter question, my understanding is that CV1 and CV2 sum to each other to affect the rate. CV1 has the attenuverter to let you tweak your desired CV accordingly, while CV2 is calibrated to track at roughly 1V/oct.

Re: your former question, I'm not sure myself, but if no one else provides an answer, I'll give it a whack.
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CV2 tracks 1v/oct

Edit: Already covered
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One method to get the inverse of a gate would be:

Send 5v into the signal input, with the knob all the way cw. Send the gate you want to invert into the “hold” for the same input. The output should now go high when the gate is low, and to 0v when the gate is high.
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Since the module is now in my hands, I actually found out that you'll just get an inverted gate at END by sending a gate to IN.
Actual voltage inversion, I haven't been able to figure out though...
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floher wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:42 am Since the module is now in my hands, I actually found out that you'll just get an inverted gate at END by sending a gate to IN.
Actual voltage inversion, I haven't been able to figure out though...
missed this. yeah you’re exactly right, this is a simple way to invert gates.

voltage inversion, not possible in any straightforward kinda way..but theres often weird creative workarounds depending on yer application to get you close enough, since this is a slew, you can patch an offset into the input and use the gate input to drive the output low at a slew rate you’ve set. with the right logic, you could use this patch to convincingly invert the action of simple envelope , lfo, etc.
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mdoudoroff wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:52 pm Rough draft: Sample & Hold

Comments?

I know I’m really late to respond to this but I’ve found that I don’t get traditional sample and hold stepped voltage unless I have the cycle switch in the up position. When it’s up, then the rate knob adjusts the attenuation of the resulting voltage. If “cycle” is in the down position, I get a sort of noisy version of the input voltage or at least that’s what it looks like on my crappy little pocket oscilloscope.
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Durdee wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:37 am
mdoudoroff wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:52 pm Rough draft: Sample & Hold

Comments?

I know I’m really late to respond to this but I’ve found that I don’t get traditional sample and hold stepped voltage unless I have the cycle switch in the up position. When it’s up, then the rate knob adjusts the attenuation of the resulting voltage. If “cycle” is in the down position, I get a sort of noisy version of the input voltage or at least that’s what it looks like on my crappy little pocket oscilloscope.
No that doesn't sound right. With CYCLE off (I.e. down) and MODE stepped (I.e. up) you should get a pretty standard sample and hold. My understanding is that the RATE knob adjusts how much the OUT cv can jump when a new sample is taken. Full clockwise and it can change fast so it'll jump to the new value; turning counter clockwise limits how far the OUT cv can jump when a new sample is taken (which may have a similar effect to attenuation- you'll likely end up with values nearer to zero)
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Right on. The function is definitely operating properly as you described it, but I have to have the cycle switch in the up position for it to do so. I tried to figure it out by referencing the SM1 manual but I think some fundamental changes to the core functions have been made and also, this module is deceptively complex. Regardless, it’s a learning experience which I enjoy puzzling over.
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Hmm, that's what I think is odd, I don't think you should need to have the cycle switch up, in fact with the CYCLE switch up it should be ignoring what you have at the IN jack entirely and just doing stepped cycling :hmm:
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Yeah, that’s what I thought! I’m confused. Maybe Josh can shed some light on this!
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Sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere - are there any plans to gather together the patch diagrams displayed in this thread into a condensed document?
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Jumbuktu wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:10 am Sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere - are there any plans to gather together the patch diagrams displayed in this thread into a condensed document?
Yeah, there’s a link way back on page 4 to a PDF compilation.

https://www.modwiggler.com/forum/downlo ... ?id=113471

I’m still waiting on a manual so I can go back and further correct/clarify the patches.
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mdoudoroff wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:21 am
Jumbuktu wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:10 am Sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere - are there any plans to gather together the patch diagrams displayed in this thread into a condensed document?
Yeah, there’s a link way back on page 4 to a PDF compilation.

https://www.modwiggler.com/forum/downlo ... ?id=113471

I’m still waiting on a manual so I can go back and further correct/clarify the patches.
Thanks! I suspect your recipe book is going to be more useful than a manual - although it would be useful to clarify the details.
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New SM2 arrived yesterday a few days earlier than anticipated - great stuff from Toppobrillo, and a nice surprise to have the module in hand for the long weekend!

Curious if there are any general strategies regarding jumper settings when used in systems with a lot of 0-10v modules such as Verbos? I’ve currently set the top half to unipolar and the bottom to bipolar for diversity and now wondering if this will lead to limitations down the line, for example with patches that may rely on complex patterns from the comparator. How are you all setting the jumpers in terms of both unipolar, both bipolar, or mixed with the choice of either unipolar on top vs bottom?
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My SM2 also arrived ahead of schedule, now I'm really looking forward to trying the patches mentioned earlier in the thread and tieing SM2 into my video rig.
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TME wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:26 pm New SM2 arrived yesterday a few days earlier than anticipated - great stuff from Toppobrillo, and a nice surprise to have the module in hand for the long weekend!

Curious if there are any general strategies regarding jumper settings when used in systems with a lot of 0-10v modules such as Verbos? I’ve currently set the top half to unipolar and the bottom to bipolar for diversity and now wondering if this will lead to limitations down the line, for example with patches that may rely on complex patterns from the comparator. How are you all setting the jumpers in terms of both unipolar, both bipolar, or mixed with the choice of either unipolar on top vs bottom?
If you want the comparator and RVG patch to operate properly, set both jumpers up the same- both uni or bipolar. it's really up to you. If you are used to patching maths/ DUSG clones that cycle from 0-5 or 0-8V, you might want to set them to cycle unipolar.. was just an easy option to add.
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Durdee wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:37 am
mdoudoroff wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:52 pm Rough draft: Sample & Hold

Comments?

I know I’m really late to respond to this but I’ve found that I don’t get traditional sample and hold stepped voltage unless I have the cycle switch in the up position. When it’s up, then the rate knob adjusts the attenuation of the resulting voltage. If “cycle” is in the down position, I get a sort of noisy version of the input voltage or at least that’s what it looks like on my crappy little pocket oscilloscope.
No that doesn't sound right. With CYCLE off (I.e. down) and MODE stepped (I.e. up) you should get a pretty standard sample and hold. My understanding is that the RATE knob adjusts how much the OUT cv can jump when a new sample is taken. Full clockwise and it can change fast so it'll jump to the new value; turning counter clockwise limits how far the OUT cv can jump when a new sample is taken (which may have a similar effect to attenuation- you'll likely end up with values nearer to zero)
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Just hooked mine up yesterday I’m smitten!
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I opted to have the Multifilter 2 and the Sport Mod 2 shipped together. I've been pinging the filter for a couple hours and patching the Sport Mod into it. Those two are are going to live together on my rack from now on. Can't wait to give the patch book a go over.
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KittenVillage wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:37 pm I opted to have the Multifilter 2 and the Sport Mod 2 shipped together. I've been pinging the filter for a couple hours and patching the Sport Mod into it. Those two are are going to live together on my rack from now on. Can't wait to give the patch book a go over.
:sb: they are a great pair indeed
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Sometimes ago I made a patch to recreate the digital oscillator patch (on page 3 of this thread) feeding the top in with the sine and square wave of a Rubicon. I was sending the pitch sequence to the Rubicon and the SM2 at the same time if I recall correctly (to the CV1) and something incredible was happening. It was more sounding like a filter or wavefolder or something like this I don't know but it was marvelous. If I was bringing the volume of the square wave (going through a vca first) high enough with low pitch, the sound was being slowly destroyed in an astonishing way and then... it was stopping the sound completely ! The only way to start it again was to bring back up and down one of the switch but I don't remember which one.

Anyway long story short I tried to recreate the same patch yesterday and I failed miserably... But it brought me somewhere else. In the end I used the SM2 to modulate the cutoff and the FM1 of Polaris and also to send gates to Quadrax. Used Generate 3 to make a drone and the Rubicon is the other sounds on the sides of the stereo spectrum. Orbit 3 is modulating several stuffs here are there. THE SM2 IS SO GOOD !



PS : Now that I am looking back at the picture of the patch on page 3, I think I know what I did wrong this time ! I'll try again and RECORD IT THIS TIME in case I succeed.
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Raymond wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:17 pm
PS : Now that I am looking back at the picture of the patch on page 3, I think I know what I did wrong this time ! I'll try again and RECORD IT THIS TIME in case I succeed.
Oh, please do.
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Very useful thread, thank you for the examples.
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Having trouble finding a breakdown of Sport Mod 2's front panel - what all the in/outs do. Are there any plans to update the patchbook with a breakdown like this, or point me in the right direction to where it's already explained?

Thanks!
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ManBearPig wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:45 pm Having trouble finding a breakdown of Sport Mod 2's front panel - what all the in/outs do. Are there any plans to update the patchbook with a breakdown like this, or point me in the right direction to where it's already explained?

Thanks!
Previous page of the topic:
I don't know if it's 100% accurate but it is the best I've seen so far. More study required, of course.
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It’s annoying that Toppobrillo is avoiding giving us even a basic manual, but then again, Cwejman and Buchla didn’t really provide manuals, either.
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