Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

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It tried with 4 different PSU's and in 3 different cases and just with the Lubádh and the noise remains and I am fully aware that there are people who do not have issues. I am in contact with Omri Cohen who does not have any issues with his module and been trying to figure out why this is, we have similar modules and also the power and cases he use are the same as people reporting here that they have issues. I tend to think, the problem is worse with different modules but I am not a specialist in electronics but I just observe its coming from this module and it hurts when you spend the big dime for it ;)I have the Mimeophon also and yes its noisy too but sounds more like regular noise and not the typical USB whining noise and I can live with that.

This should be an example how to handle these kind of issues with your customers ;)
https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t ... s/18263/20

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Wubz wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:27 pm
Androlicus wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:22 pm
Wubz wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 9:40 am Glad to hear so many reports of this module not being noisy. I suppose the firmware releases to fix the noise issues on previous modules has made people super sensitive about it on this one.
It's the disparity between those that have & don't have the noise that leads us sensitive folk to look for a solution. For those peeps, I’m convinced it’s something to do with a ground loop and linked to the output module/cables. If I remove the output cables (balanced TRS from Knob Farm’s Ooots) and monitor from headphones, the noise is gone. Plug them back in and, even with the main output volume completely off and nothing patched, it returns. I had further discussion with Cinematic Laboratory about this and he had success in removing the noise by taking Lubadh out of his Make Noise skiff and into another case with Endorphin.es Golden Master and balanced XLR as the output. I think the reason some people don’t have the noise is down to different output modules and various combinations of digital and analogue modules, making it difficult to pin down. I’ve an Intellijel case on the way to try out a few combos so I can hopefully join the noiseless club.
I actually posted this in the wrong chat. Was meant for the Endorphines Ghost topic. But….You’re right about output modules and cases/other modules affecting it. If I output to ES-9 it’s way less noisy than if I run it out of my Frap mixer into interface.
Moved it to small side case and it’s better in there also.
Modular word problems.
Put an isolator between your Ooots output and wherever you’re plugging into. There’s a ground loop. There are many available. I use a Lehle Little Dual for just this purpose.
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I am building a Befaco Output v3, it's the last thing I try. I already have ground isolators on the cables, it helps a bit but not enough. BTW Omri Cohen does not use a mixer he outputs to ES-9 directly and his monitors are connected to this device, the ES-9 is also in his own case. I do not have this module so cannot check...
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On my end the digital pulsating noise cannot be a ground loop and happen in all my cases, even if the module is alone, even if I change power bricks. What does work however is underclocking the raspberry pi CPU that powers the module, using the config file found in the tiny sd card. But it obviously brings other problems to underclock the CPU such as audio artifacts, glitches etc. since it has not enough power to perform the complex task asked by the module anymore. I also tried dynamic underclocking but to no avail as I cannot find a stable setting. I also tried overclocking (which can have side effects such as overheating so please don't do that if you don't know what you are doing) but it does not suppress the noise. What's really fun in my case is that I can actually hear the pulsating noise without any headphones or speaker. I just need to put my ear near to the module to hear the CPU hum with the same pulsating noise.

On the plus side if I pass the outputs of the module through specific other ones, such as a Serge ResEq (which is the perfect companion to a Lubadh for delay duties and feedback sculpting), the noise disappears in my phones/speaker. But I can still hear the module humming.
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Exactly this that you can hear the device humming, is the same with mine..
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noise talk is fun and all but can we get back to waiting for the firmware???
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sanderbaan wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:11 am I am building a Befaco Output v3, it's the last thing I try. I already have ground isolators on the cables, it helps a bit but not enough. BTW Omri Cohen does not use a mixer he outputs to ES-9 directly and his monitors are connected to this device, the ES-9 is also in his own case. I do not have this module so cannot check...
It won’t help. It has balanced outputs, just like Ooots, not isolated outputs.

Make sure your interface and your modular are plugged into the same outlet, so that they all share the same ground, and use a dedicated isolator between anything not in your case, and your case. Those ferrite clips that go on cables only work marginally well sort of. That will clamp down on ground loop noise.
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scragz wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:25 pm noise talk is fun and all but can we get back to waiting for the firmware???
Exactly. I have tinnitus so the noise is there anyway.
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sanderbaan wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:12 pm Exactly this that you can hear the device humming, is the same with mine..
Same here
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clwilla wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:42 pm
sanderbaan wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:11 am I am building a Befaco Output v3, it's the last thing I try. I already have ground isolators on the cables, it helps a bit but not enough. BTW Omri Cohen does not use a mixer he outputs to ES-9 directly and his monitors are connected to this device, the ES-9 is also in his own case. I do not have this module so cannot check...
It won’t help. It has balanced outputs, just like Ooots, not isolated outputs.

Make sure your interface and your modular are plugged into the same outlet, so that they all share the same ground, and use a dedicated isolator between anything not in your case, and your case. Those ferrite clips that go on cables only work marginally well sort of. That will clamp down on ground loop noise.
I ordered a Radial Engineering Pro D2 just now, will try it out and if it does not work I will send it back and then I will give up on the module and probably try to somehow get my money back. Fingers crossed.
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Nutritional Zero wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:44 pm
scragz wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:25 pm noise talk is fun and all but can we get back to waiting for the firmware???
Exactly. I have tinnitus so the noise is there anyway.
But the noise is really messing with my bleeps, bloops and spaceship sound efx…..i may have to sell it😒
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scragz wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:25 pm noise talk is fun and all but can we get back to waiting for the firmware???
By the time the new firmware comes out, restrictions in chip manufacturing means all modules will be digital, and Dieter Doepfer’s grand grand daughter will have invented the Digirack format that will use patch cables to transmit digitally encoded bits of information instead of audio and CV voltages, and noise issues will by then totally be a thing of the past. :cheesy:
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Just an update for everyone interested! Today is a good day. I received the Radial ProD2 DI box and hooked it up in between my modular and mixer and I am amazed!! The noise is gone, actually the entire noise level is down incl the noise from MN Morphagene and Mimeophon! The sound is also fatter, probably because of the Mic Pre amps being used on my mixer. But all my problems are solved !!

Thanks for the one who gave the tip to invest in one of these devices!

https://www.thomann.de/intl/radial_engi ... pro_d2.htm

That's the one I got.
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I just bought one as well in hopes it helps. Should ground lift button be on or off? I'm assuming on since that seems to be the point. Just want to make sure
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Crevice wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:33 am I just bought one as well in hopes it helps. Should ground lift button be on or off? I'm assuming on since that seems to be the point. Just want to make sure
I have it down yes. When you crank up volume to max you can still hear it but that does not bother me.
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Erm, I just noticed that instruo updated the FW download page of their website to fix the broken links.
Does that mean anything? I dunno.
Is this a useful post? probably not ,I'm just excited for the long awaited FW.
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Wubz wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:50 am Erm, I just noticed that instruo updated the FW download page of their website to fix the broken links.
Does that mean anything? I dunno.
Is this a useful post? probably not ,I'm just excited for the long awaited FW.
I'll take it as a sign!

someone on reddit said they saw a 2:20:00 new lubadh video queued on youtube. I can't find it now but I'll take anything to keep the hype going.
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More interesting than that is the one right next to it!
We’ll know tomorrow what goodies are coming!!
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:party: Just spotted the manual and quickstart guide for their v2 firmware on the website, download v2 here: https://www.instruomodular.com/support/
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karottenkurt wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:22 am :party: Just spotted the manual and quickstart guide for their v2 firmware on the website, download v2 here: https://www.instruomodular.com/support/
firmware appears to be there too! :O
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Nice!
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Judging by the extensive comments in the preset files this looks to be an excellent update. Classy.
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From first glance in the manual I’m not seeing a way to add to the end of a current loop, to access more of that 10 minute loop time, I wonder if it’s possible, I have to watch his video still. Also wonder how to get a usb expander, comes with new units
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