MakeNoise Mimeophon

[Underglow]

Ugh. You guys are trippin' balls. Just don't use it as a send effect. It's better in use that way. IT'S A VOICE, NOT A RACK DELAY.

[lukas412]

I like the noise that the Mimephon produces. If I had listened to this thread I would not have my favorite delay ever. If you look at what went into the design of this module id be upset if there wasn't a nice loud noise floor. All of the inspiration delays were noisy as hell.

[Mimmo]

I love "noise" as well but this isn't the good kind. It's like a pitched up frozen Darth Vader's breathing, it has too much character, like an element you could add to a track but now it's on every track you use the module. I love Make Noise, I have many of their modules, but this is a flaw, I don't know if it's hardware related or software but it shouldn't be there.

[GuyaGuy]

Ugh. You guys are trippin' balls. Just don't use it as a send effect. It's better in use that way. IT'S A VOICE, NOT A RACK DELAY.

It’s both

[GuyaGuy]

I love "noise" as well but this isn't the good kind. It's like a pitched up frozen Darth Vader's breathing, it has too much character, like an element you could add to a track but now it's on every track you use the module. I love Make Noise, I have many of their modules, but this is a flaw, I don't know if it's hardware related or software but it shouldn't be there.

That sounds like interference—something not grounded, dirty power supply, bad house wiring, a piece of lint making a bad connection in the Mimeophon. You should probably isolate the Mimeophon to know what the cause is.

[r-l]

Never had a 'problem' with the noise... ~ using Genelecs 8040 at good distance, the noise is far more present on headphones. One can hear it, but i wonder where this obsession about a 'pure, clean' (and imho clinical) sound comes from. Embrace it or buy a clean delay...

For the others who want to eliminate the noise for their production works ~ just record it and cancel it in your recordings with a.o. a software like Adobe Audition.

[informationsource]

Never had a 'problem' with the noise... ~ using Genelecs 8040 at good distance, the noise is far more present on headphones. One can hear it, but i wonder where this obsession about a 'pure, clean' (and imho clinical) sound comes from. Embrace it or buy a clean delay...

For the others who want to eliminate the noise for their production works ~ just record it and cancel it in your recordings with a.o. a software like Adobe Audition.

This is the way.

I love "noise" as well but this isn't the good kind. It's like a pitched up frozen Darth Vader's breathing, it has too much character, like an element you could add to a track but now it's on every track you use the module. I love Make Noise, I have many of their modules, but this is a flaw, I don't know if it's hardware related or software but it shouldn't be there.

That sounds like interference—something not grounded, dirty power supply, bad house wiring, a piece of lint making a bad connection in the Mimeophon. You should probably isolate the Mimeophon to know what the cause is.

Agreed. There's something causing noise in this setup which is not common to other setups. Bad power would be my first guess, but there are too many other factors. Test and isolate.

[Burpy]

I noticed that the hiss in the mimeophon is mainly present with nothing on it's input. Like it tries to gain soft signals, if the input gets higher the hiss is pushed back. So i thought, what if i could have allways a signal at the input that push the hiss back, and make that signal so low (freq) or even a CV signal so i don't hear it?

And that's just what i did: send a very low sine-wave (a few Hz) at the input and the hiss is almost gone. For now i don't experience some downsides this way (except for the need of a the sine-wave and a mixer in front of the MP). I ended up creating a sample for this in my 1010music micro that i can toggle on/off.

[Underglow]

New firmware update! I haven’t set it up yet. Changelog: “performance improvements”.

[GOM]

New firmware update! I haven’t set it up yet. Changelog: “performance improvements”.

Bring on the next dozen pages of ground noise talk!!!

[standingwave]

I'll throw my 2 cents in about the noise floor:
It is definitely not ground hum. When you turn the mix to 100% dry, the noise is at its loudest. The noise sounds like comb filtering. This leads me to think there is some sort of micro-deleyed signal being mixed back in with the dry input. Maybe a firmware update can fix it?
Perhaps this new one has?!

Cheers.

[tdallas]

Also from the document in the ZIP (date: 08. March 2023):

If your Mimeophon has a serial number of #9256 or higher, you do NOT need this update.

Check the Zone Activity Window for correct colors on power up. MP86 Zone = Teal/Red
If your Mimeophon already powers up with these colors you do not need this update.

„Teal“ seems to be some kind of greenish-blue.

[soundular]

New firmware update! I haven’t set it up yet. Changelog: “performance improvements”.

Bring on the next dozen pages of ground noise talk!!!

It begins!

[standingwave]

I've completed the update. The noise is still there, although it is maybe a bit less... I didn't do any comparison recording, but it may in fact be improved.
Cheers.

[Mr_Sulcus]

Interestingly I never really thought about the noise until I put the Mimeophon in a new case where it was very noticeable on the dry signal. Did the upgrade and it's dead quiet. Although I am at my parents house right now so it'll be interesting to see what it's like at my place where I suspect the power is rubbish.

[DirkB]

yes, and then there is music, no pun intended

[GOM]

Are we really getting people already suggesting that the update has reduced the noise? Tremendous, can somebody please come and blow this out of the water and say the update has made it noisier??

[DirkB]

noise is part of the story like a lot of analog modules; if you hate it, sell it

[dreamrobe]

I can't say mp86 has made the mimeophone less or more noisier (had mp85 on my new one).

It is interesting what the folks at makenoise are thinking when they write performance improvements into the changelog. It's like we did something but you shouldn't worry about it because it worked fine already in most cases.

On another note: Did anyone of you figured out how to make a well rounded clocked loop with the hold button?

[luketeaford]

I can't say mp86 has made the mimeophone less or more noisier (had mp85 on my new one).

It is interesting what the folks at makenoise are thinking when they write performance improvements into the changelog. It's like we did something but you shouldn't worry about it because it worked fine already in most cases.

On another note: Did anyone of you figured out how to make a well rounded clocked loop with the hold button?

Sometimes "performance improvements" is as specific as you need to be in software... it's possible to realize performance problems while profiling something and stumble into a weird scenario that doesn't affect users. Maybe you're working on a feature and need to find performance improvements to make that feature happen. Pretty common stuff.

I don't have my mimeophon installed at the moment and I'm on the old firmware, but unless I am mistaken HOLD simply freezes the buffer and then zone/repeats determine where you are in the buffer... the resulting loop is dependent on what's in the buffer and how the musician is locating the buffer.

[Robot00]

noise is part of the story like a lot of analog modules; if you hate it, sell it

Mimeophon is digital though

[Granny]

noise is part of the story like a lot of analog modules; if you hate it, sell it

Mimeophon is digital though

My Microverb 1 is digital and pretty noisy and I love it. Love my Mimeophon too, which is based on old digital delays

[FletchNYC]

Noise, or no noise, it’s still the best delay in Eurorack.

[xcc]

Noise, or no noise, it’s still the best delay in Eurorack.

yup

[DukeOfPrunes]

Noise, or no noise, it’s still the best delay in Eurorack.

yup

Agreed. From a feature design perspective, it's at the very top.