4xMUTE - 4-channels of clickless muting in 4 HP

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4xMUTE - 4-channels of clickless muting in 4 HP

Post by igorrr » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:52 am

4xMUTE provides four sections of clickless muting/unmuting suitable for both audio and CV. Button glows green while the signal is passing and glows red while the signal is muted, so you can always see the status.

Lower inputs are normalled to the upper inputs, thus the same input can be sent to different outputs.

No bleed in mute state and no distortion is added to the passing signals.

4HP wide.

MSRP: 100 USD or 88 Euro
https://www.signalsounds.com/happy-nerd ... ule-silver
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https://escapefromnoise.com/modular/hap ... ng-4xmute/

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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:09 am

Saw it on MG, it looks really nice! Congratulations on the design Igor.
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Post by Navs » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:16 am

:yay: Nice!

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Post by mdoudoroff » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:28 am

Nice!

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Post by AndreasD » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:54 am

An upside down version would be nice, so the jacks are at the top.

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Post by mdoudoroff » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:01 pm

Question: what is your approach to clickless muting?

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Post by NARC NOISE » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:02 pm

Links are showing the modules are out of stock??

I've been looking at a handful of mute modules (leaning towards Joranalogue Switch 4) but I could get 4 of these in the same space as 2 Switch 4's)

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Post by igorrr » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:48 pm

mdoudoroff wrote:Question: what is your approach to clickless muting?
It uses AD chip for muting
http://www.autex.spb.su/ad/SSM2404.pdf
In February I will be supplying several Europe based distributors, and Analogue Haven will get them in stock in around two months.

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Post by noisewreck » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:10 pm

AndreasD wrote:An upside down version would be nice, so the jacks are at the top.
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Post by cackland » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:14 pm

Nice Igorrr. Wondering what kind of switches you use? Not the biggest fan of the colors so wondering if there is a white version that can be DIY'd?

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Post by igorrr » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:20 pm

It is single position switch, so color is needed to distinguish mute/unmute state.
https://www.tme.eu/en/details/ks01-bl-1 ... 01-blv-13/

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Post by Funky40 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:27 pm

Great ! VERY welcome :yay:


i triple the wish for an upside down option. ( NOT a complaint ;) )
will have to give me some of these.......

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Post by cackland » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:00 pm

igorrr wrote:It is single position switch, so color is needed to distinguish mute/unmute state.
https://www.tme.eu/en/details/ks01-bl-1 ... 01-blv-13/
Thanks for the link:
Single White: https://www.tme.eu/en/details/ks01-bl-5 ... s01-blv-5/

A single color should suffice, no?

Lit - Mute
Unlit - Unmute

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Post by JohnLRice » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:05 pm

Nice one, igorrr! :sb:

Navs, you just like it because it has YOUR colors! :hihi:

AndreasD, noisewreck, and Funky40, seems like flipping it upside down would satisfy your needs? :hmm: It's not like the labeling is particularly important on this module! 8-)

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Post by VanEck » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:15 pm

where can i get a couple of these in the US?
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Post by hewed » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:21 pm

I'm eagerly awaiting mine. I've currently got percussion module audio going through a SSF Muton, but 8 mutes is not enough.
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Post by Blairio » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:34 pm

This is exceedingly useful. Two questions:

Is there a UK distributor?

In future would you consider a mk2 which mutes/unmutes the channels in response to a trigger? I know it would need a larger footprint (maybe 6hp?), but it would be really useful.

In any event, I want one!

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Post by Heliophile » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:01 am

Awesome, Igor!
Can the normalisation be turned off via jumpers? It will not always be desirable during performance.
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Post by igorrr » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:46 am

Signal Sounds will store 4xMUTES in around 3 weeks for UK market and Analogue Haven in around 2 months for US market.
I will consider the version with trigger inputs.
No “off” option for the normalization. It can be always turned off by dummy male jack. And why someone at all will want muted output without input? I mean you can have one signal routed to several outputs, but why connect an output if you do not need any signal being sent to it?

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Post by Heliophile » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:28 am

igorrr wrote: No “off” option for the normalization. It can be always turned off by dummy male jack. And why someone at all will want muted output without input? I mean you can have one signal routed to several outputs, but why connect an output if you do not need any signal being sent to it?
I was thinking about momentarily patching a different trigger signal to a channel of 4xMute and not wanting the channel above it to be routed to the output while the cable is pulled. But I guess that won't happen if said channel is muted, so no big problem after all :-).
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Post by hewed » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:05 am

igorrr wrote:Signal Sounds will store 4xMUTES in around 3 weeks for UK market and Analogue Haven in around 2 months for US market.
I will consider the version with trigger inputs.
No “off” option for the normalization. It can be always turned off by dummy male jack. And why someone at all will want muted output without input? I mean you can have one signal routed to several outputs, but why connect an output if you do not need any signal being sent to it?
Would it be possible to produce a version so 4 inputs normalled to the last output if there were no jacks in outputs 1 - 3 (similar to the SSF Muton)?

That would be very handy for percussion submixing.
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Post by Blicken Synths » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:26 am

This looks like a great little module. Excellent work
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Post by igorrr » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:49 am

I was considering the idea of mixing the outputs, but unfortunately Eurorack standard has little amplitude headroom with usual signals having around of 5V amplitudes and max possible amplitude is 12V. So mixing of only two signals can already cause clipping if they are just a bit over 5V each. And some filters hit almost 12 V with their resonance at good play.
So to avoid the possible clipping, each channel should be reduced in volume, but it is not desirable for most applications: like your gates and triggers will not work, envelopes will not provide full CV adjustments,…

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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:56 am

When muted or brought in, are the signal levels slightly ramped to avoid non-zero point crossing ~audible click~?

The Dot Com Q128 Switch module uses a MAX365 IC as a "solid state relay" and that module will produce ~click~ (not a mechanical click, but one heard through the speakers) if the inbound signal's wave isn't at a zero point when the module switches outputs.

Any of us that have worked with audio waveforms in any given DAW is aware that if a wave is just chopped off (or more importantly, abruptly brought in), an audible attack transient is produced. The cure (more or less) is to ever so slightly "ramp in" the starting edge of the wave.

That said, is your muting system set up with something to address non zero point crossing attack transient ~click~?

Thanks.

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EDIT: I know this seems like a silly question, given you're even calling this new module "clickless", but I'm simply curious.


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Post by igorrr » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:21 pm

Here is the comparison picture of the ordinary toggle switch (good quality NKK) and 4xMUTE for 100 Hz triangle wave.
The difference is clearly seen.
Of course some abrupt change of volume is noticeable for low frequency sines and low pass filtered signals, but 4xMUTE does not produce that annoying click of passive switch or instant electronic gate chips.
If very smooth transition is needed – VCA with properly set AR envelope is the best choice. But it will be needed only for some audio applications, triggers and gates may skip some steps if 100 ms fade in/out is applied.
Other benefit is that 4xMUTE has extra good bleed free operation (around 110 dB of reduction) and lowest distortion. VCA of vactrol design will have noticeable more noise / bleed / distortion.
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